https://twitter.com/gwhatchet/status/1784009672636137891?t=XTmRFUdVq00n7yunSnnOvA&s=19
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Looks like in AZ destruction of personal property over $1K (It would only take a few of those tents to reach that threshhold) is a class 6 felony punishable by up to a year in a prison.
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WE GOT HIM
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Good lesson for anyone at a protest (and I will be at one later today)…counterprotestors doing something like this are likely to be cops and if you get in their way you’re probably going to get mauled by the police.
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UCLA encampment is probably 100 tents and people drumming and chanting. There’s a line to get into their area and you’re supposed to promise not to fight or something. You can see everything from outside the barricades anyway. There are plenty of police and security in the area, but they are all just on bikes and no riot gear or weapons out. That is why this event is not a riot, because they police are not rioting. There are Jews here wearing kippot.
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Well, at least it wasn’t Pitt. I assume like most people, you are generally more connected to undergrad than grad, even if the latter is more years.
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Lol at showing up at any of this shit where the cops are looking to score a free kill on you for any reason.
This has to be a wet dream for 90% of people who choose to be cops.
You get to enact violence on weaker people and face no threat to your life in the process. Worst case you get caught being too aggressive on camera and get hit with a 1 month paid suspension
Almost feels like a skit, I would be laughing on camera at her
Speaking as someone who has no functional understanding of Capitalism, I do wonder if disinvestment is even a real possibility. Truthfully, I don’t understand what the financial reality of a major university is or even if that is something that can be known.
I have a feeling that eventually Columbia is just going to get someone with a Noble in Econ to explain it to the students like Ned Beatty at the end of Network.
I a very conflicted about a lot of these stories, because the vibe I’m getting is that lots of people perceive there to be an easy/obvious way the universities are handling these protests, and that they’re simply morons/bootlickers/authoritarians for not doing it that way.
But I don’t understand what that obvious solution is.
As one example, Ohio State was mentioned above. Here’s their description of the situation.
Taking that as accurate, assume that the school:
- has a content-neutral prohibition on encampments
- has communicated that policy to the protestors consistently and clearly throughout the day
- confirmed that the protestors are aware of the rules
and the protestors continue to establish and build up these encampments. OSU’s response was to begin arresting the protestors using university police (I’m not sure if Columbus police were involved).
Obviously (I think?) if they try to arrest for trespassing and those people refuse to move, the policy are going to physically drag them out. And probably that’s going to look really bad, and probably in some cases they use more force than they have to. If that–escessive force–is what people are complaining about, I totally get it. But I get the feeling that a bunch of people believe that they shouldn’t try to evict the protestors, and shouldn’t use any force at all. That’s the part I don’t understand - what are they supposed to do?
(I’ve seen a comparison to police response to Proud Boy marches, but that seems completely irrelevant because it’s not clear what laws/rules those marches are actually violating)
I’m sure I’ll be accused of being a bootlicker or JAQing off, but I feel like I’m genuinely missing something in this conversation. (Or maybe OSU isn’t a great example for what people are arguing about.)
Edit so I’m accurately characterizing others’ views here:
But I get the feeling that a bunch of people believe that they shouldn’t try to evict the protestors, and shouldn’t use any force at all. That’s the part I don’t understand - what are they supposed to do?
This is the first line of the response from the Faculty and Staff for Justice in Palestine:
We, Faculty and Staff for Justice in Palestine at the Ohio State University, condemn the university’s decision to authorize campus police, in coordination with the Columbus Police Department (CPD) as well as state troopers from across Ohio to our campus, to aggressively respond to a peaceful demonstration by our students called “Ohio State Gaza Encampment.”
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A lot of people think the right to assembly overrides the law. At least selectively.
I think as long as they are non-violent and not harassing anyone, they should be allowed to remain. Yes, it’s an inconvenience to the university, but I don’t see the need to stamp it out. What is the pressing need to evict them (and so quickly)? Students do lots of stuff that isn’t technically allowed, and schools commonly look the other way.
I see it similar to when cities enforced their curfew, etc. laws and broke up and arrested BLM protests. Yes, the protests were technically illegal, but so long as they were non-violent, there was no need to actually do anything.
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