Covid can’t jump from Bats to humans without a host (you seemed to have missed this Covid 1.0 fact)
From my limited understanding, bats have thousands of viruses. There is (still, after months) no evidence that the virus that ‘man eats bat and gets infected’
This is absolutely it. It does lay people no good to speculate on the origin of the virus. There are scientists all over the world who will work on that in due time.
It is absolutely a distraction created by right wing parties all over and in the US. I have said this numerous times here, but determining the precise origin right now is of little to no value. Speculating on it just gives credence to the distraction intended conspiracy theories.
If your kids get into an epic fight and then start blaming each other for starting it, are you going to say “Okay children, I need to get to the bottom of who started this. That is much more important than dealing with you bashing each other’s heads in”.
Still have no idea what your point is. Who’s amn?
If people just want to argue, the Landlord thread always has dry kindling at the ready.
m.a.n human
It’s more about if you think there is a slim chance then:
But we’ve now moved on to pontificating about that great paragon of virtue, China.
Well Coronavirus strains have jumped the species gap to humans before, probably many times before. I’m pretty sure that is the reason why that lab exists to begin with. It certainly isn’t impossible there was an accidental release from the lab, other high level labs have had accidents in the past. I have a few problems with the theory though:
One. There is zero credible evidence so far. Which actually isn’t as strong as it normally would be considering this is China and they aren’t going to admit to it.
Two. This is an area where there is huge potential for a natural species leap to occur. When you hear hoofbeats AND see a herd of horses, searching for the unicorn doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Third. Who gives a fuck? China isn’t going to come clean so even the normal thinking of “we can at least learn from it” doesn’t really apply. Speculation among rational people about the lab only adds fuel to the conspiracy theorist fires.
hopefully all this irresponsible speculation and rumor convinces the reactionary idiots in the usa and their representatives in government to ban scientific research using viruses. biotechnology blasphemes god’s creation, and we are a christian nation above all
They’re worse. The US government, for all its many flaws, doesn’t murder or imprison dissidents without due process or currently have millions of ethnic minorities in literal concentration camps.
Not yet, anyway. Well actually…
Last reply on this then I’m nuking the thread into the sun.
If our standard is waiting for credible evidence, how would you ever expect that to come - other than say - patient zero is a lab employee? I literally can’t think of any other scenario where we’d get credible evidence. It’s not like the virus sets off alarms when it escapes the building.
Yes of course it is, which is why it was being studied there. Which is why I’ve always insisted by far the most likely scenario is it happened in the wet market. I’m just not shutting the door on the lab theory - based on some fairly strong circumstantial evidence (lab was studying bat viruses, may have been unsafe, patient zero was not associated with the Hunaan market, accidents can and do happen).
I agree - who gives a fuck? Even if it was somehow true, I wouldn’t want it to come out that China released it by accident - as I think the international fallout would be a disaster. But I feel like a lot of people are starting with this and working backwards. I’m not going to say to myself it’s 1 in 1000 if I don’t really believe it’s 1 in 1000. This is the barbershop. No one’s listening to us here anyway.
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Nobody here is carrying water for right wingers. Jesus it’s hard to believe I had to type that too.
Sandra bland? + many other minorities that are POC?
I must have missed the US announcing their patient zero (perhaps this isn’t possible, even in such an advanced nation as the US)
I’m just not shutting the door on the earth being flat (epidemioligists shut this door months ago)
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China was basically keeping a garage full of oily rags and open flames and after it caught fire and burned down people are speculating that maybe their neighbors are arsonists. Seems very silly to me.
You forgot to mention that the neighbors had built a training facility for arsonists on the property.
It’s kind of like the entire basis of my take, so GJGE here. Obviously my take is just totally made up bullshit without that basis.
I did not say that.
Forget man made for now, nobody is saying that. I put that at like .01% or something ridiculously low. If they were studying a coronavirus and it slipped out the backdoor, it’s not like it would be wearing a sign that said ORIGIN: STUDIED IN WUHAN LAB VIA PANGOLIN VIA BAT.
Like, how would we tell the difference between:
A) Someone catches it from a pangolin in the market.
B) Researcher fucks up, catches it, and goes to the market to get some lunch and breathes it all over everyone.
Maybe someone can teach me some science here but I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t be able to tell the difference, and the only way we’d find out is if the person who made the biggest mistake any lone human being has made in decades, if not centuries, was like “Oopsie, my bad, that was me!” and then the Chinese government was like “Hey we’d like to announce our scientist’s little brain fart here. He’s been reassigned.”
Ok but what evidence would there be? I’m pretty sure the answer is none, thus making this irrelevant.
You guys notice that Japan has a lot of researchers studying tsunamis?
Now I’m not saying that they DID cause that tsunami… just saying it’s possible…
this wasn’t directed at you, this was directed at the readership at large whose views are influenced by your posts as a top forum tastemaker. none of my posts are meant to be attacking you or calling you out. you read something somewhere, i don’t know what you read, as i said i haven’t been reading the thread daily in a while, i’m here in the thread trying to get some knowledge and impart some knowledge. it’s very easy for people to misunderstand what can go on in a biological research lab because they’re not part of that lifestyle, so i’m trying to share my perspective, you know, without reading whatever it was that you read and never linked
but i read the wapo article jbro linked and it sounds like a bunch of rumor. rumors btw coming from donald trump’s state department, and it’s not like we don’t know if they want to pin this shit on somebody else. and it’s not like we know they wouldn’t lie to advance big or small agendas
No evidence or no evidence we will ever see? Obviously a ton of evidence would exist if this came from the lab. A smoking gun would be that the lab had isolated and were studying the Covid-19 strain prior to the outbreak.
ETA: it probably is easier to have a coverup conspiracy work in China than most other places, but your still talking about a shitload of people who would know and would have to keep their mouths shut.