Nerd World is better than the Hall of Yankees and the Frankie Frisch Veterans Committee.
1 Like
This goes against everything I heard where way more pitchers were on it. Hitting numbers and homeruns went up after testing came in and there were probably finesse pitchers taking it so they could throw 120 pitches every 5 days without getting injured as was common back then.
Here’s the thing: steroids weren’t against the rules and there were lots of drugs that are now classified as steroids that weren’t classified as steroids back then as they were new. There’s a fine line between supplements and steroids and all athletes take supplements.
1 Like
I KNEW Maddux was doping
I’ll allow it
2 Likes
Not saying he likely was, have no clue, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all. It’s very odd we decide who was doping by how fast they threw and how many hrs they hit.
I was at an M’s game forever ago sitting in the 300 level pretty close to the rail behind home plate, Randy Johnson on the mound. McGuire took him deep to the exact same spot twice. Straight away left to left centerish, both balls would still be going but for the cement wall.
Right-handed Bobby Jones or left-handed Bobby Jones?
F*** if I know, I had no idea who he was when I was a kid. Even less now. He played for the Rangers in the early 80s, but he signed my glove so he was cool.
Didn’t read OP, but yes.
I was actually joking because of his slight frame, but seriously, in that era where nothing was detectable anything’s possible.
You can draw the line where ever you want it. It should be applied to everyone the same though, whether they’re in now or not.
Ok, outfielder Bob Jones.
He signed it Bobby
Agreed. As you note, velocity was also a factor.
But velocity was higher in 1995 than 1990 and runs were much higher, too.
Someone mentioned amphetamines elsewhere, Babe Ruth famously pioneered “Spring” training, Ty Cobb was a notorious angle shooter, but all of these amounted to mere marginal gains. Steroids, particularly for guys like Brady Anderson and Luis Gonzalez conferred outsize benefits and should therefore be similarly factored into player evaluation.
Maybe a Jamba Juice Hall of Fame wing
Or we have a simple standard. Juicing=out. They made a choice. No reason to try and split hairs about what a career was or might have been.
You have to define “juicing” beyond simply “gained an advantage beyond the average player”