Two years ago-Shoulda been a bigger push.
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They knew that the leaders of the party had no interest in anyone other than joe and trying would have seen as being a traitor to the party or divisive at the very least?
Your reasoning does not in anyway show that those candidates would not be better against trump then joe
This is exactly right. Itās also a sign of a weak party that thereās nobody behind the scenes with the cachet to get to Biden and get him to announce that hes going to be a one-term President.
Just ride off into the sunset off the backs of your accomplishments. Youāre 82 years old and History Books will tell everyone that you defeated Donald Trump and saved America from an economic tailspin post COVID.
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The time to attack Biden for his age was 2020. Bernie insulated him from that because you canāt argue Biden is too old without at least implying that Bernie is too. Sanders couldnāt make that argument and you couldnāt beat Biden with an argument that would turn off Bernie Bros.
This part of the decision tree was decided long ago.
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Exactly. Many athletes have this problem too. Just canāt retire on top. They gotta wait until they actually become a liability
Egotistical narcissists suck
This is an institutional problem, not one of evil individuals
Agreed. Skydiver types should have organized years ago to get biden out of this election
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no capable dem stood up against biden in this last primary because theyāre all too nice and compassionate. it was all, āoh i wouldnāt want to hurt his feelings campaigning against him, heās such a nice manā and āoh he secretly promised me a cabinet position which will advance my careerist ambitions which is the most important thing to meā. thatās the weakness that doomed us.
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He did say he was hilter jr.
He said heās pals with one dictator
He said Israel should āfinish the jobā in Gaza
If Biden was such a corpse the talking point would be how fucking crazy trump is
But alas. Our nominee is a corpse
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Trump as the iceberg vs the Titanic is actually a great metaphor. Or analogy. Or simile? I forget which one.
Anyway itās because the ship was doomed by attempting to steer around the iceberg rather than just ramming it straight on.
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I know youāre making this exact point, but goddamn do people have extremely awful definitions of what constitutes a nice person
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They knew voters wouldnāt vote for them. They probably also knew Biden was capable of being president and had likely talked with and or had meetings with him in person that backed that up.
He also beat Trump and as the line of demolished losers in the GOP primaries learned, thatās way easier said than done. The Dems have a bad and or not ready bench. This.is.The.Horse. Everyone on the Democratic bench knows it and thatās why there was no serious challenge.
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I donāt know that anybody exists in the current ecosystem that could have organized effectively enough to get it done.
Weāve moved out of an era of āMachine Politicsā where the people with the actual power existed behind the scenes. That era allowed people with clout and power to challenge the existing people in power without publicly having to bear the brunt of a failed attempt.
The problem this time around is that for Whitmer or Newsom or Pete to mount a challenge, the real downside for them personally is that theyāre cooked for 2028 if they fail (and they would very likely fail). And that extends down to the lower levels of politics as well. Anybody at the delegate level who supported the failed candidate sees their future aspirations go down when they do.
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I think itās more about whoās turn it is. In 2016 they just decided it was Hillaryās turn. Then it was Bidenās. And now of course the incumbent gets to run again. What actual voters think or want never enters into the equation
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Sounds like a problem of careerism vs the greater good
that requires interpretation. so far every debate in the history of debates, the result was up to interpretation. this was the only debate EVER where everyone knew who lost. thatās bad.
the people who are putting their money behind their analysis are saying joe biden has a 78% chance of losing this election. the people saying otherwise are admitting theyāre lying and saying itās okay to promote delusionary thinking because the other side does that too. thatās also a bad sign.
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That would probably boost his numbers. Heād need to do something to confirm his campās fears about him, but they donāt have any.
Closest thing from Trump would be him saying āI believe absolutely zero of what Iām saying, I am focused solely on stealing anything that isnāt nailed down and paying my debts to Russia by helping them conquer Europeā. But it still wouldnāt matter.
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Is this consensus?
Iām not sure Trump could say anything so direct that would cost him votes. Every time he says something absurd, he wins the voters who see him as a straight shooter.
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In California, once you are on the ballot, you do not come off the ballot. you canāt. I know this because it was something we looked into during this past primary. We were wondering if it would be feasible to ask our unendorsed opponents to drop out.
They can drop out, but their name will still be on the ballot. This is incredibly stupid, yes, but it is the rule here. I believe the only exception is death, but Iām actually not even sure thatās the case: in Chula Vista, a candidate for city attorney died a couple of months before the election and he still was on the ballot.
You all can scream about replacing Biden all you want, but Iām telling you, legal maneuvering aside, it is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Iāve repeatedly said why. Ballot issues. Voter stupidity. Campaign Finance rules. I havenāt mentioned voter trust. But Iāve seen the reaction when you all thought āthe DNCā āconspiredā to push out your favorite guy. Now you want us to choose someone else? Why would we do that when all that would happen is weād get the same hate from you and everyone else if we chose the āwrongā person? Look at those polls I posted. The only person the DNC would even remotely consider got TWO votes on here. one of them was mine because I know how the world works. So when they picked Kamala, youāre telling me with a straight face that youād be OK with that?
And if you wouldnāt be then please, tell me how your preferred person should get picked. Should theyā¦campaign? You want them to do the exact thing you hateā¦an internal party campaign, with no say from voters who arenāt connected, and then we pick?
Republicans would win in perpetuity because the anti-fascist party would crack into a million little factions and never repair itself. Step outside of your feelings and look at this from a mile high perspective and tell me the petty infighting we see already would explode into a raging inferno if we let the DNC pick a candidate as opposed to the voters. Oh wait, you donāt have to imagine it. You can actually watch it:
So this board, all of you posters who spent literal years bitching about how the DNC iced out Bernie, is telling me that now you want the big bad DNC to pick a candidate? I struggle to believe it. I truly do.
Iām pushing so hard against this because I know what will happen if we do what youāre asking. We would absolutely destroy ourselves.
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