If I were you I would not. A mix of "It’s wrong"and “Can you really be sure you won’t get caught?”
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The vote on if I should create a cheating vote is so far is 1-2 against. The reason given so far, besides personal risk to me, is that it would be wrong (in a certain sense of the word, obviously).
How about trying to create wholly illegitimate but technically legal votes? I’m sure I would have been a lock to have created two of these kinda votes also. Which would be worth -2.0 votes for the evil toxic waste container, as per the IDM (Incompetent Donkey Model) that the fools ITT like braying on about.
Should I have attempted to create these illegitimate votes?
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We are sort of in the play money stakes of vote withholding, the tiers for someone publicly making this threat and the results would be something like
Play Money: Randos, message board peeps
Results: No impact at all
Small Stakes: Rando Celebs eg Susan Sarrandon
Results: Twitter criticism, no impact on election
Mid Stakes: Major celebrities and well known liberal politicians eg Lebron, Bernie
Results: Major media coverage + Some impact on election
High Stakes: Major Liberal Political Celebrities eg Obamas, Clintons
Results: Major media coverage + Major impact on election
Would the vote with holders be doing the same thing if they had more influence? It’s not super interesting if they are only doing it because they know nobody cares.
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There essentially is a rule. Biden has no power now. He can’t be pushed to the left or the right because there’s nothing he can do and by the time he can do anything it will be too late, your vote will already have been cast.
If he’s president in 2021 will he have to earn our votes to be re-elected or will he be able to take those for granted? I suppose there is more than voting. You could always use donations and volunteering as a carrot for the behavior you want from him.
There are certainly real threats to democracy and the Democracy we have and have had has been pretty subpar already, but if Trump wins I would happily take a bet getting 3 to 1 that there is an election in 2024 and a Democrat wins.
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Would I in that situation? Yes, depending on the risk - being unofficial proxy votes makes it not immoral.
If you’re asking whether I’d vote using, say, enough dead people’s IDs to make a difference if there was zero chance of being caught, I’d say it would depend entirely on how critical the election was, so normally definitely no but to keep out an undisputed fascist, yes.
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POTUS BOWL 2020: Libuuuural vs Bro
When I suggest that a group of people threaten to withhold their vote you first assumed that I was talking about unlikely voters who skew younger and lower income. I clarified that I was referring to likely voters who were not young. I appreciate you listening, but now we are at another objection: you think my demo is too small.
When other posters like sky, trolley, cuse, clovis, riverman, etc. suggest that just two years into the future we support and elect more progressive candidates, that gets no push back from you. Their hypothetical and my hypothetical are both assuming that there currently exists a demo of likely voters who lean progressive.
I would like to move on in our discussion, can we agree that the demo that they assume exists does in fact exist?
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I hate poker analogies. But I feel like I’m attempting to have a strategy convo discussing different lines. I’m proposing a semi-bluff with a hand where we have decent equity, and people are responding with “don’t fold!”. Yeah guys, none of us are folding in this spot. please don’t @me on this analogy, as debating the merits of an analogy within the context of a hypothetical is too esoteric for even me 
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I keep reading that this might be the last free election. Do the people who post this act like they believe it? If the end of democracy is a credible threat one should spend every minute and every dollar to either win the election or get out of the country. I highly doubt this is what the doomsayers are doing.
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No that’s good. I think I get it.
Progressives thankfully don’t think like this. Capitalists do. See: the environment.
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I mean, there’s a difference between thinking the country is about to become Nazi Germany and thinking the country is about to become a complete cult of personality oligarchy like Russia. I think the Russia type outcome is the likely one. Not great, but survivable.
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That’s not something you’d want to avoid at all costs?
Assume you are not American, used to think that way back in 2017. Then I realized that the sick fucks he is appealing to figuratively** get a hard-on when they see libs like me upset much less panicked or frightened. There is literally nothing someone like me can do to change the mind of someone who is thinking of voting for him, if they flip Biden somehow this late in the game it’s going to be for quasi-random reasons.
But my existence and suffering and passionate pleaing is merely a primal reminder of the urge that they have to vote for Trump despite knowing that he is a nut low human being.
This isn’t old school politics where you are trying to get a bunch of clueless people out to vote for your guy. Hearts and minds are set on Trump, now all that’s left is to flip over the cards and see where we stand.
** and close to literally
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Massive gerrymandering
Executive order you must show government ID to vote
Executive order vote by mail banned
Executive order one vote per household
Any of these happen and dems never win again. And don’t “what about scotus” after RGB and Breyer are gone.
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I feel like I should put this in every thread
https://twitter.com/votesaveamerica/status/1303780485642895360?s=20
I mean, I’m white, so that helps a lot. And no fair elections ever again doesn’t mean we can’t leave later.
This x infinity
I actually had some hope Biden would be forced to adopt some popular leftist positions in order to win. In reality he’s running against the single biggest imbecile in electoral history so he’s going to win in a walk without having to do any of that.
That’s my official prediction btw. Absolute EC and popular vote landslide. I’m not even a little bit worried.
I’m voting for Joe. You should vote for Joe. The liberal concern trolling on this board is still nauseating.
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