Edit: misread action
Donking into 2 players on J77r? He has no range, which is why its bad on Martin’s end too. His only perceivable bluffs are 89s 8Ts and 9Ts so having 88 is even worse.
It is possible of course that the suits are reported wrong. PH play is more reasonable with a fd on the flop
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Oops I misread action, thought it was preflop raiser leading. Yeah pretty bad by Phil, though still not sure if you’re supposed to always fold 88 there.
I’m going to give Kabhrel the benefit of the doubt and say he played the man and not the cards. Phil is super sticky and loves to “trap” in spots like this, so while his line is dumb (assuming theory says to check 100% of range on flop), it could make sense against an opponent like Phil.
I’ve heard cheating rumors on Martin for a decade now.
Chance Kornuth and Bonomo retweeted so maybe this turn into something
If the flop was multi way you absolutely are imo
It probably has a small percentage of leads, but it’s a mistake for a human to not just call it 100 unless you’ve got a well-reasoned exploitation going
Like it’s not just the splitting into checks and leads with the combo you have that you’ve got to worry about, it’s turn play and having built a turn range
Has he ever been caught marking cards? If so, how do they still let him play.
Ya those rumors have been around for a while. I watched some of the live stream yesterday and couldn’t help but think that he could be cheating somehow considering the crazy plays he was making.
https://twitter.com/max_silver/status/1670530883105726464
https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/1670535675790204932
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I’m so confused by these high stakes cheating cases. Why doesn’t every other players simply refuse to play with them? Do they think their edge overcomes even the cheating?
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I’m sure many of them do still think they have an edge. Additionally, there’s a collective action problem. Every good player who doesn’t play makes the field relatively softer for the ones that do [and thus more tempting to play]. Also, most of these high rollers have very long late registration periods (often until the start of day 2), so on a practical level, do you sit out until the last minute to make sure he doesn’t play? If he doesn’t, you avoid having to play with him, but you also missed out on lots of deep stacked play with the fish, so you’re punting a lot of ev. [Also, most of the regs have staking/swap deals, so you might need your partners to agree with whatever action you take.]
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It’s the same 40 dudes. Sure it’s a collectiive action problem but surely if they all think he cheats it’s the lowest bar collective action problem ever.
They’re poker players. Maybe worse than longhaul truck drivers at anything collective
Also, how many players at high stakes have completely clean hands? Many of them have multi-accounted/ghosted other players. Many have been accused of soft playing some other players. Where does the line get drawn wrt who you will or won’t play with? Even if you could get some agreement about not playing with “cheaters” getting consensus about what conduct is cheating and how much proof is necessary to conclude that someone is a cheater is hard, especially when some of the people making the argument have done some of the things themselves.
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Think there has to be some sort of stop to the cheating and remorse.
Bonomo is probably the best example here.
This was my first thought. But your other logistical post before this also makes a lot of sense. I’m sure it’s a lot of each
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Hellmuth and Dan Smith post to agree. And yet Martin is 2/7 in the biggest tournament of the series
