Maybe we all do. Probably we do. But I’m not talking about clovis, only about the expectation that someone under duress possibly feeling high levels of stress in an uncomfortable situation in the public arena will act rationally at all times.
It’s a completely unreasonable position to take.
Of course I do. Although lol me for responding to you.
I mean you need an employee to, as far as we know, decide to steal chips off a stack for the first time ever when it’s one of the most watched stacks in poker history - definitely in HCL history. You need his story that he didn’t know it was her stack to be true even though he watched her play the entire game that night in that seat.
You also need him to coincidentally be following her on Twitter and vice versa, as they claim.
Then you need her to coincidentally decide not to press charges, because it’s so little money to her because she’s so obscenely wealthy (even though she was staked).
I mean the odds of that being a coincidence are so absurd if you were the floor and I was the boss in the Casino this would be that scene when the dude gets fired because he’s either in on it or useless.
Initially there was the “maybe he’s done it before,” argument but I think we can safely assume that’s not the case if we haven’t heard it by now. HCL would want to get that info out ASAP.
That’s not the main reason for my certainty. The hand itself, her behavior in the immediate aftermath, and the $15K are my main reasons.
I don’t know where I read it, but I remember reading (from a source I found credible) that the chips were stolen AFTER all the players’ chips had been racked up and moved to another area, making it likely that he would have a bit of a challenge to identify her stack specifically. Anyone know what I’m talking about? It was reported very shortly after the Bryan bomb first went off.
I can’t confirm but I thought it happened in the same room after the stream was over.
I thinly remember it being something Vertucci alluded to. I think.
Edit: Who the hell leaves their chips unattended anyway? If my table breaks and I want to step outside, I’ll confirm with the dealer, “Hey, can you babysit my chips for 5 minutes, or should I take them with me?”. If I don’t know they are secure and being observed, I don’t leave them, and I sure as hell am not dealing with $150k stacks.
The largest hand I ever won was somewhere around $8k at the Bellagio 10-20nl. I won the hand with a flush. I don’t remember any of the action except that on the flop the villain shoved and I had to decide whether to call. I took like 5 minutes to call but I couldn’t even calculate the pot or odds I was getting on my call, much less put him on ranges or anything. I remember counting or trying to count my chips several times and I couldn’t even hold the number in my head. In the end my thought process was something like I have a flush draw, it might be good, I think there’s enough money in the pot, let’s gambol. At that point I’d been playing poker for probably 4 years, logged maybe 400k hands online and played a few hundred hours online. It was incredibly embarrassing for me, internally.
Same thing happened to me the first time I took a deposition and the few times I had to argue in court, my brain went completely blank and I was functionally an idiot for several minutes. Thankfully I don’t have to appear in court often. :)
I don’t think I’m THAT unusual. I certainly wouldn’t have admitted to anyone in the game that I couldn’t think and basically had no ability to analyze the had when i made the decision. When I met back up with my friends I played it off like I crushed it, as would most people I think. Point is that stress and pressure can do wild things to some people’s ability to think and process what’s going on.
I don’t know what was going through her mind, but it’s definitely possible that under the pressure of dealing with such a large hand on tv against a top pro her brain just completely shut down. 10 seconds is nothing. She could have been staring right at both cards and been unable to process what she was seeing in the context of the game she was playing.
What do we think Faraz is charging as her coach? $300/hr? Higher?
Wasn’t that hand won by the guy who scored a hattrick in soccer in a tornado?
Anyways that hand is way more believable because people don’t notice their pair has been counterfeited somewhat often.
$350 IMO
i’m in the probably cheated somehow camp now because of the 15k stolen and the coincidence being too strong (and no real reason for him to steal off her stack because of what happened if they weren’t colluding in some way).
her behavior doesn’t make me feel confident she cheated, unlike cuse. not at all what i’d expect a cheater to do and not what any past cheater did really.
lol where?
I could buy that if not for the lack of reaction when she realized she had J high, and also it would make a lot more sense if she hadn’t played a game that big before or hadn’t been on stream before. But she was. Also, her demeanor while thinking didn’t match that at all.
Part of my gut reaction the first time through was that she didn’t look like someone playing a poker hand, she looked like she was doing a poor job of acting like she was playing a poker hand.
I would guess higher. $500-1K/hr if it’s one on one.
In this very thread.
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From when Garrett jams to when the conversation about the hand ends is when I think her behavior is extremely sus. After the fact it’s just lots of convenient changes to her story.
Also the J8dd behavior is weird. When a player plays fast most of the time then takes a long time AND acts weird in very weird spots, that throws red flags. Also I think she threw in her time chip early both times but I don’t know for sure. I do know she didn’t use anywhere near her full extension, which struck me as odd too.
to me the J8dd makes it way less likely she’s cheating as it contradicts every single method i’ve seen mentioned
Can we narrow it down to within a 350 post window?
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