my little online club started playing PLO8 on Tuesdays, and I’ve actually been enjoying it (and winning). Never really played it much before (though I’ve played lots of Limit O8 and lots of PLO high). Playing against new players has a lot in common with low limit O8. I see a lot of the same mistakes in hand selection, overvaluing middle pairs, going HAM with the low, etc.
I want to try to get them to transition to PLO, but I think a lot of them worry about bankroll, and a split pot game helps calm those fears. Unfortunately the app doesn’t allow for anything but flop games, or I’d be pushing for an OE mix ;)
oh for sure. If I’m playing against true noobs (like these guys are), I go right back to the old tried and true Hutchinson method for preflop hand selection, and it really doesn’t fail. I’ve been consistently winning this home game just going back to basics.
Disagree with a lot of the stuff Clovis has said. Mediocre PLO winners wildly overrate their win rates.
I was talking with Anthony Zinno once after he won the 10k PLO event and he said something similar.
At my local 1/3 game the last 4 years I had win rates of 76, 85, -21 and 68/hr. (600 max, obviously plays bigger)
I’m curious what? Feels like everything I’ve said is plo 101 stuff. Nothing controversial I can see. Very possible I’m making bad plays though so I’d like to know if so.
I am such a tight live player that people notice and remark on it. I think I need to tighten up when I play online. So, online can be tougher than live.
I privately don’t consider myself to be as tight as they think. I play significantly fewer hands preflop, but I am also generally the player most likely to 3bet without AAxx. I see fewer flops, but PLO is a postflop game and I am more likely to bet or raise without the nuts. There are other players who are also considered to be tight, but they have a wider limping range and they rarely put in significant action post-flop without the nuts or a draw that is a favorite against the nuts, unless short-stacked.
You style sounds way better. It’s a huge leak to only three bet AA and I see a lot of nits play that way all the time. It’s pure face up. I just call with nearly any 4, hit two pair and happily get it in.
It’s also sounds right to me with your style to be mixing it up on the flop a bit as, you are doing, because you both will get credit and more often have a piece due to your preflop selection.
I think this is a play I don’t make near enough in plo. Seems too face up to only do it with monsters but it’s also so hard to do with medium equity hands. My check raise range is too polarized to nut, nut draws or air. It’s a leak.
I couldn’t quite tell if you were criticizing your play or the course.
I might go for a check-raise too often when playing NLHE, but my formative poker years were spent playing LHE, a form of poker where I would argue it is impossible to be a winning player without being good at going for a check-raise. Players who primarily focus on big-bet games often whine about not being able to protect their hands in limit games where a check-raise, and the ability to force some opponents to call two bets cold if they want to continue, is one of the main forms of protecting your hand. (Protecting your hand is an overrated concept, but that is a different story.)
One of the ideas in poker is balance. Players normally think about balance in terms of having enough bluffs in your range so that you get paid off on your good hands. However, they are primarily concerned about their aggressive range; their passive range is a bit of an afterthought, but you want your passive range to include some strong hands so that you can’t be completely exploited when you check.
