It’s like 6bb how bad could it be? 
Jk I don’t play tournaments and have no idea
Don’t we need to know other stacks? I’m not really up on ICM but I bet it’s fine unless people are set to blind out (is that a phrase)”?) in the next round.
You didn’t let villain know you were shoving blind did you?
It all comes down to short stacks. If you’re short - then it’s an ATC shove. If there are micro stacks getting ready to get hit by the blinds it’s pretty terrible.
All this.
Edit: Though it’s probably OK even if there’s one micro stack. I’d just, you know, look at my hand first and then decide though. How big the big stacks in the tourney are also matters.
If I fold, I get 6 free hands to let someone else bust first. I am the shortest stack at my table, but with seven tables, I am unlikely to be the shortest stack in the tournament.
And of course I didn’t let him know I was shoving blind.
Oh, yeah, my image is tight and competent and I’ve been card dead and folding for the last two levels. They might be thinking I want to fold into the money.
Given that, what does my range look like and what do you fold if you are the bb?
It’s crazy how much it fucks with your mojo when there’s a clueless player to your right who just keeps limping or raise-folding when they’re at like 10-20 BB and you’re at similar. I mincashed at a tourney Sunday and I don’t think I had an unopened button or SB the entire game. I felt lucky if I could shove from MP.
I’m shoving ATC in that case and as BB am calling any ace, any pair, most two broadways, maybe stuff like K9.
Been traveling, but anyways, what happened is that I shoved with what turned out to be J8s. Villain tank-called with A9s. Might have been over a minute and he cut out chips several times.
He flopped a flush and I was out on the bubble. It sucks hearing the TD congratulating everyone on making the money as I gather up my stuff to leave.
With a bit under 6bb, I still think it’s more EV to try to fold into the money. Once the bubble breaks, there’s a decent chance I get to play a three- or four-way all-in as people who have been folding into the money try to gamble up a playable stack with a relatively flat payout for the next dozen spots or so.
If he’s tanking for a minute with A9s then shoving is amazing.
I don’t know if he was every really going to fold. I seem to inspire this sort of behavior in players, where they are certain they are behind but think that the math says they are supposed to call anyways. So, they go into the tank and try to psych themselves up in to making the correct call.
He may also have been waiting to see if there were any all-ins at the other tables. I don’t know why, but it seemed to matter.
Some of the other players laughed at him because they thought it was a snap call. I can imagine tighter players shoving there with a range that makes calling close to neutral in terms of chip EV, which should make it negative in terms of tournament EV. I have a wider range than that, but the hands I had been showing down and my low VPIP were such that someone could have come away with the impression that I was extremely tight.
If you won this hand you were going to win the tournament.
I agree he probably wasn’t ever folding A9s, but if he’s tanking on that then he’s probably going to be folding more marginal stuff like A3o and QTo and he’s just not going to be calling anywhere near enough.
Played a few hours of 1/3 at del Lago. In my 2nd or 3rd orbit I get 33 and limp in middle position along with six or seven other players. This turned out to be kind of rare.
Flop is 3-6-9, there’s a bet from the SB and I raise it to $30. SB calls and the CO calls. So there’s about $115 in the pot.
Turn is the 5, and the SB goes all in for an amount that has me covered. So … maybe $400~.
I fold.
CO folds, and I suffer the not-knowing in silence.
Not that it makes the in-moment decision differet, but I never saw the SB go all in again. He seemed a decent player.
I guess you have to fold, but it seems really weird to me that they shoved there.
Hard to pull the trigger but pretty straightforward fold really, just hard to come up with worse hands that do that and they’re at substantial risk of running into 87 or a set that won’t fold.
There’s a class of players who just bet heaps when they make strong hands. It’s not that bad a strat against a field of calling stations and suspicious regs. I remember a hand once where I had 88, raised pre, flop 9xx two tone, he check calls, turn 9, he shoves for like twice pot. I called on the grounds that it looked like a draw pretending to be trips, he turns over A9s with the NFD lol. I was like hmm ok kinda got owned there. Easy to dodge these guys once you know they do it though.
Sanity check - blinds 300/600/600 - I have AJo in the BB with 16k stack. LJ makes it 1600, folds to me. LJ was fairly active, in a lot of pots, but I hadn’t seen anything too out of line.
The only option here is call, probably go broke with top pair, check-fold on a whiff?
This is an $1100 buyIn tourney with 40 minute levels. So 28 BBs isn’t quite as desperate as one of my usual 20 minute level tourneys
I’m shoving based on your read and all the money in the pot. But just so you know I haven’t played seriously in a long time.
I added the buyin and level time. Might matter
I gotta start playing cash. 50 buyins with 2 min-cashes is no fun. I did add it up though and was surprised I’m still up like $7k - basically my one big score. W/o that I’m breakeven.
What stack size does villain have? How many off money etc