If you have KQcc, you should be fist pumping getting it in. The only hand that has you decently behind is like A9 or A5cc, or now AK/AQhh, which should be thoroughly discounted.
You are crushing their range and I’d expect them to fold ~75% of it and only about 5% or so of the time are you getting called by something that has you in decent trouble. You should be having over 15 outs most of the time you’re called, which is great!
Much appreciated. I bet the pot which left me with a few red chips. Could have just shoved. Old man moved in with a set of 5s. Oh well.
I generally am not ever concerned when I run into the top of the range of my opponent when I also have a really strong hand. There are obviously times when villain has more nutted/strong hands than we do, and that is when we should be slowing down (like the suzzer aa hand), but you have more jj/1010 than they do (not by a ton) and you just have a ton of equity vs the very few hands you get called by.
I don’t get the 20% pot craze; you have almost 0 fold equity except on some boards and versus very weak players.
Poker isn’t pure fit or fold players from 2008 these days.
Like I’m only folding the absolute worst to that donkey sizing so you’re just torching $ on fire trying that BS on me.
Its that the very small/large sizes polarize your range the most. You should be doing this less in live poker, but really big/small bets obviously throw off thinking players a bit.
Let’s do another. How much money did I leave on the table here? Villain in the B.B. has $500ish and I have him covered. He’s a younger white dude who’s pretty competent and not afraid to splash around. He just recently showed a semi-river bluff to win a $300 pot. Table was playing pretty wild for what I thought was gonna be a quiet Sunday morning. Definitely more like 2/5 vs a 1/2 game.
Button straddle to $5. 3 callers in front me and I call $5 with black 2s. 7 total to the flop.
Flop: 7h3c3s ($35)
3 checks to me and I bet $20
Villain in the BB min raises to $40 and I call
Turn: 2h ($115)
He bets $40 again and I just call.
River: 8h ($195)
Checks to me and I bet $75.
I guess my questions are - should I have raised the turn and if so to what? As played, should I have bet more on the river? I feel like I played this much too passively because it seemed obvious he had a 3 based on his bets and body language.
Yeah raise turn (160ish) but it doesn’t matter too much. A 3 should almost always bet river, so calling won’t miss a ton of value. If you do call on turn you can make a read if you want to ship it or just flat on river if he bets. Calling turn also keeps bluffs but I still just prefer just straightforward value-raising in spots where my opponent could be very strong.
As played it doesn’t at all look like villain has a 3 on the river, most likely some weird protection flop raise with a seven. So I think the sizing is perfect, also with no missed draws really you can’t even pretend to be polarized.
I wouldn’t bet that flop 7 ways, you’re essentially bluffing since your hand is rarely good if someone calls. Calling the minraise is straight up torching money. Turn, call or raise are both OK. Bet more OTR, you need him to have a 3 to get called, so you might as well go for more value.
I think the competency of the villain is probably quite overstated. Villain check min raises a paired flop that went 7 ways, then bets small on the most brick looking turn then checks on what should be a pretty safe river.
And yes, don’t bet these flops 7 way. Just no reason to bluff in small pots with 5+ players.
Lots of games like this if they had anything other than a 3 they would’ve just bet themselves. Have to bet this in those–protect your hand and take it down.
It’s also not a safe river, flush gets there. Criminal not raising the turn as played even if Villian is just a moron with a 7, he’s not paying off river unless a card under a 7 hits. If he has anything else he might pay off the whole stack. Who knows live.
Turbo fold to flop donkey raise.
hmmm I respond to old post, shoot me
Very appreciate of the feedback. Played recently and folded to a check min raise in a situation that I’d normally call and the dude showed me the goods. I’ve been in the mindset recently of just “okay, what’s another $20/25/30 with what’s already out there when minraised”. I know that 22 year old me folds without even thinking about it in those spots when I knew what I was doing at this game (because they always have it when you get raised), so thanks for the feedback.
And asking for a friend and I really, really, really don’t want to turn this into a tipping derail but is 10% appropriate or not enough for hitting a $500 HH jackpot.
I wish I could remember this exact hand but I was kind of drunk. Here goes anyway.
2/5 Bellagio, I’d won a big hand calling down a bluff to get to $800 or so but only been at the table 30 minutes or so.
Obvious grinder guy with about $600 leads for $20, 2 callers, I call in the big blind with Jh8d.
Flop Js7d4s. I decide to lead for $30 just thinking I’m done with the hand if PFR calls. Probably not best, but whatever, mix it up. PFR calls, MP calls, other player folds.
Turn 3s. I check. PFR bets $80 for a little under half pot. MP folds. Very unlikely I’m good here. So I decide to go for it and turn TP into a bluff - durrr-style. A lot of stuff got there and I led out the way people do with draws. Also I could have a set. I raise to $200. He thinks forever then tosses in two $100 chips like he knows he’s beat.
River 8h. At this point I figure overpair which isn’t going to bet. So I shove. He thinks forever then folds. I tried to ask what he had, but he just made a sour puss face, then pouted for the next 30 minutes. I should have showed just to tilt him even more.
I think I still shove if the 8 doesn’t come. But I can’t say for sure. I know I should but I might have lost my nerve.
As an aside - I love the look of pure agony on grinder’s faces when they get beat. I got owned on two $1000 pots with overpairs to their sets. But when I hit a turned straight vs. a grinder’s set he looked like someone ran over his dog.
Lol yeah - the donk got lucky. There goes your profit for the next 10 hours. That’s poker bro. Live by the set, die by the set.
Such a brutal way to make a living.
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Suzzer, I’ve got nothing to add about the J8 hand other than I call way too much out of my BB and turn my hand into bluffs like that too even if not hitting the 8 on the river. I figure I’m like one of those old National Guard commercials where I only get out a bunch of weeks a year (in the winter here with no golf) so why not.
For the grinders- I get joy in popping off against them too but also am cognizant enough to avoid them for the most part.
Bellagio 2/5 seems to be about 2/3 grinders or more.
J8o’s a fold pre for 4x.
Obviously don’t call the turn but if he makes it that obvious he isn’t happy calling the turn raise you’ve got a no brainer river bet. Nice hand sir.
Drunk 2/5 is a lot of fun when you fold every close call pre.
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2-3% used to be a common tournament standard and that’s what I tend to go with for bonuses like high hands.
Bellagio grinders are the nut worst. Just absolutely mediocre players with no talent for table talk, appeasing tourists or making a game good. Backpack, headphones and a $30 hourly at 2/5.
they’re probably not even $30/hr
Some of them were decent with the drunk tourists (me). Some definitely fit your description.
Looool at $30/hr that dude losing an $800 pot to me with his set, was what a 4-5 days worth of work swing for him? No wonder he pouted about it for the rest of the night.