Agree but I think river is a likely bet fold if raised. River bet fold is used way too infrequently in Holdem imo.
My room has a promotion where every hour they pick one cash game player to spin the big wheel of money. You get what you spin. Max is £2500. It drive the recs absolutely wild all they ever talk about is the spin the spin when is the next spin happening zomg we could get the 2.5 you know etc. Now there are usually like 50 people playing cash any of whom could be picked and the wheel has so many spokes and lots of zeros so the natural ev of 1 spin is something like £100 if that so each draw your ev is like £2. Anyway last night I got picked and…
One damn spoke away. Such a bad beat.
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lol, stupid promotions like that will get bad players spending thousands of dollars to hit one time. smart, but these kind of promotions drive me nuts
VS 95% of regs my line is bet/fold river. If villian is a perceptive hotshot, he probably knows that our standard line is bet/fold. Really dependent on how sharp I think villain is. The smarter he is, the more likely I am to call.
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I bet 600 on the river and got raised to 2400 
Ok, but the real question: Did you call, and how long did you think about it?
Edit: The reason that I’m pushing for a call is that we checked behind the turn. Our hand is under-repped, but even more importantly villain has every reason to believe we check behind on the river. If he had a value hand he almost certainly bets. Really smells like a bluff vs someone that he thinks will fold our exact hand. Especially when the best bluff card in the deck (from his point of view) falls on the river.
I won’t say just yet to see if anyone has anyone else has opinions on the hand, but I did go into the tank and I almost never tank
Why would he make it 2400 with AA or QQ instead of jam. Less to price in a crying call or more for max cooler value. Scary size that doesn’t accomplish either goal. Fuck him.
Id call but I’m a big betsize oracle.
Oh I worded that poorly, it was a jam to like 2420, so I guess it was only 2900 effective to start, it was not a sober table, but villain wasn’t drinking if that changes anything
That last hand raises a point about AK, and specifically my thoughts on it. For me, everything in poker is situational. How I react in any instance takes into consideration the entirety of data that I have at the moment. I have no “general rules”. Except with AK. Preflop with AK I will not get to the flop without having been the final aggressor preflop. Raising most of the time, very occasionally folding, never calling. In position or out.
A lot of people like the “Call and see a flop in position” line and… maybe, but I just can’t see how the infinite agression preflop line can be a mistake. In my mind, calling pre takes away all of the pressure AK can apply, and makes it only slightly better than KQ. It makes all of the OMC guys right, “It’s just a drawing hand.”, and anything that makes them right has to be wrong imo.
Thoughts?
Well I normally like to reraise pre there, but the fish was spewing really hard…
You believe villain thinks hero checks behind on the river with top pair hands instead of betting for value and trying to get called by a bluff-catcher?
Should villain have a bluffing range leading out on the river? Hero seems to be taking a potential pot control line with top pair, so a river bluff should be an overbets to make those hands uncomfortable about calling.
Villain is described as a crusher, so if he isn’t he likely to be the sort of player who has both bluffs and value hands with this bet?
Was it a mistake to either bet so big or maybe even to bet at all on the flop?
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my streak continues, in the last week and a half I’ve had 7 1st place cashes in my daily home game and just took down 1/13 tonight. last night won against 3 other people. woooo
it’s like every single sklansky buck I’ve lost in the last few months has come to me all in 1 week, i sucked out and held up so many gross spots
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I think villain is expecting hero to check behind river with about 100% of his turn checking range. When hero opens the door with a (surprise) bet, I think he takes it as an invitation to commit larceny. If villain has us beat here, he’s either much worse than we gave him credit for, or truly world class.
Solvers like a lot of aggression with AK but even they find spots to call with the hand. It’s an exploitative strategy that seems unlikely to be disastrous against many lineups.
You think villain expects hero to never bluff the river or to bet the turn with all bluff candidates? I think villain would expect AK/AQ to be part of hero’s turn checking range.
I had a huge hero river call tonight with AK high
No idea how live crushers play now, so take fwiw, but I think you should check back the river as played (turn bet would have been fine). People will complain that it’s weak but if you think about his preflop range and the hands in that range that check call on the flop, this is a bad runout. You do miss value from AJ, but it’s not necessarily full weight in his 3betting range, and he of course can have AQ, QQ, AA, A5s, A4s with this line, so you need him to call with worse hands than AJ, like KK and JJ. But you also open the door to get c/r bluffed, which you should just lose to because it is a fold.
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I’d probably still probably call, youre pretty capped here to what you have and villain shouldn’t have a ton of suited wheel aces because of both pre and flop. Wouldn’t be surprised to see same hand.
Am I wrong in thinking the decision on whether to call a check-raise should have been mostly made before betting the river?
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