I don’t know if other people ITT are taking some line similar to that, but imo in this specific type of case, it’s about the facts not being in dispute. Nobody, I don’t think, disputes that the slave labour occurred/is occurring. Nobody disputes Nestle’s knowledge or at least damning indifference to it, and if Nestle maintain that they stock and provision and are the sole customers of these plantations for reasons other than providing a veneer of removal from the slave labour, I doubt anyone treats it seriously.
As I understand it, the case hinges on the applicability of some law allowing petitioners to sue Americans in America for stuff they’ve done abroad. Maybe there’s some very important legal principle at stake here, protecting which could someday benefit a deserving person, but it doesn’t seem that way to me. It seems like a multinational that doesn’t want to face consequences for suborning if not outright practicing slave labour, and shithead BigLaw firms lining their pockets trying to help them do it.
In a criminal case as discussed, the person’s guilt is literally in question. Even in a murder unambiguously caught on tape, say, a defence lawyer could mount an insanity defence. The question of whether someone was medically not responsible for their actions is an important consideration! There’s no version of that here. It’s just a question of: can Nestle be made to face consequences for this, or can they not? Even if their case seems clearly winnable to you, you can still expect to be judged for trying to do so. Slavery, yo.
That Joe Rogan is in the camp of “can’t afford to say he’s been vaccinated to his audience and is maybe legit dumb enough to not be”…
A. Should be of absolutely no surprise to anyone remotely on the left who’s paid any attention to him.
and
B. Demonstrates as much as anything the degree to which WAAF as Americans. Rogan may be difficult to pinpoint when it comes to the exact specifications of his politics but he is firmly entrenched in a position where courting right-wing nuts (or not agitating them on certain issues) is at or near top of the agenda.
I was in Taiwan for over a month of the first semi-lockdown there (no dining in restaurants, no gatherings, need to scan a code to enter stores, no baseball) and while of course restaurant owners in cities with no cases were annoyed etc…the overwhelming sentiment I’d hear just conversing with people was “we’ll all get through this together”.
I’ve been in the US for two months now and I have not heard that sentiment expressed by anyone besides my mom while the situation here is roughly 1000x worse.
(I recognize the mere tangential relevance of this rant)
It was like for the first few months in the Czech Republic as well.
Then we had an official we beat covid summer buffet (kind of the Mission Accomplished moment for the PM here) and enjoyed the summer. Then the second wave came. People got pissed and stopped giving a fuck about most restrictions.
He’s going to be even more insufferable when his show starts. Oh I got COVID and I treated it by eating elk meat in a sauna with a chimp while high on DMT. COVID lasted a day.
It is laughable. As much as Americans don’t want to admit their empire is falling apart imagine how much more pathetic is it for a Brit to still think their country is relevant internationally.
