Because of force
Excellent screen name.
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Seems like you have a lot of legitimate concerns…
About things that aren’t GMOs
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It attracts a much higher market price of course, but what actually reaches people depends entirely on government policies/taxes/corruption, and having to pay to import food from abroad makes little sense when local collective farming should be an option.
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you are talking about labor and land rights, not equilibrium state for carbon emissions.
importing food from abroad makes sense if iowa grows calories at $3.50/bushel of corn, and the congo would need to raze the jungle and GMO the fuck out of something to get to the same breakeven point. it’s literally the basis of all trade, i grow what i grow best, and you grow what you grow best, then we swap.
Phew!
I saw a flurry of new posts and panicked that it was like a new Comey letter or something, but it’s just a bunch of posts about piddling issues like feeding the world, destroying the environment, etc.
Carry on!
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Sure, but it’s not remotely comparable with NZ and Germany swapping lamb for cars because the countries we’re talking about with the poorest populations often have sky high levels of corruption and war lords/gangs dictating behaviours and terms that suit them best.
“Equilibrium state for carbon emissions” might have sounded great in whatever green seminar you attended but it hardly applies to some parts of the world where people are held to ransom to produce cash crops that are of no value to them, with the bulk of profits going to corrupt government officials and local war lords or criminal gangs.
Make me a burger that is half real beef and half plant protein. Over time, adjust the ratio. Why not start out with the incremental goal of getting people to eat less meat rather than trying to persuade people to cut meat out completely right away?
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ikr! someone over here is changing the goalposts to collective farms, and i’m the one trying to explain how globalism to them
once again you are conflating issues. corruption with trade, worker conditions with farming efficiency.
trading with only wealthy countries is really bad for the poor ones. trade is a net benefit, it allows countries to build more wealth for each year they trade, that can be used to raise standards of living. if you don’t trade with poor countries, those countries get left behind.
no, don’t trade with the oppressors or the corrupt entities themselves. use your leverage to make sure profits get invested into / distributed to the population.
yes, i’m a socialist in that i’m for policies that better serve societies.
It’s a strange sort of socialist who believes in globalisation, given its current status as cheerleader for late-stage capitalism and the expansion of the billionaire club.
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You’re the 2nd person who has said this, but wtf are you talking about? There aren’t many GMO crops besides corn and soy. If you eat a non-processed food that isn’t corn or soy (or meat that was fed those things), and you don’t cook it in a GMO oil (canola / soybean / cottonseed / corn), you’re probably aren’t eating a GMO. I don’t even try to avoid GMO’s but I hardly eat any.
The non-GMO labels are tilting. Thanks for telling me that this thing for which no GMO variety exists isn’t GMO, and charging extra for having that label. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go look for some zero-calorie water.
Edit - hm I could have begun this post in a way that didn’t sound hostile, sorry.
Let me know if you find any fat free soda. I’m trying to eat healthier.
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why is it weird? “socialist” regimes trade globally as much and probably even more so since so many are petrol-stans, that crank out billionaires for the forbes list at highly over represented rates. i mean it may be weird to you because you only think of socialism as collective farming.
we have a good way of curbing the billionaire club. it’s called taxes. we should use that tool instead of shutting down trade.
So a socialist is arguing that free markets are partly irrelevant to and partly a way to improve political and institutional corruption and failure?
(Edit - I guess I always assume socialism is state ownership of the nation’s wealth production, but I suppose it doesn’t mean much any more.)
fu jt you know this shit doesn’t go itt
There’s a lot in this post and we’re way outside of my areas of core knowledge, but afaik meat consumption is one of the main drivers of deforestation on a global level, and we could easily feed the world with our existing agricultural land if we fed the grain and corn to people rather than to animals to make meat.
This seems obvious enough to my reptilian brain that I have drastically curbed meat consumption and not bothered to learn too much more in recent years.
Of course, the world strictly adhering to vegetarianism immediately would not be good either. Developing countries count on raising livestock in small scales. But that’s a hell of a lot different from what we do in the US.
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Going to be an extra long 8 days if we all have to suffer through 200+ post derails daily until the election.
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derail literally went, gmo bad → environment is hurting → capitalism bad → africa should grow their own collectively.
with that much spanning, if you are not conflating too many issues into one bucket, you are probably doing marxism a disservice.
re: guns. of course guns kill people and access to guns kills people. but we are going to live in a world where every 3d printer can make a gun in about five minutes. if you think you need to curb the technology, you are wasting a lot of time and effort. i would focus on teaching people to handle them safely, mandating storage in unloaded state, limiting how many guns and ammo a person can hold on to, and adding charges to crimes with unregistered guns. beyond that i’ll defer to people smarter than me.
markets need to be partly regulated and partly free. most western markets fit the description although issues like bubbles/crashes/child labor/pollution probably mean they are under-regulated. does that answer your question?
IMHO state ownership is much closer to communism than socialism, although nothing stops anyone from claiming that they are or not socialist. (see my screenname).
every state’s military is socialism (state monopoly on violence funded entirely by taxes for the “good” of the country). every department of transportation is socialism. public schools are socialism. social security is socialism. agriculture subsidies is socialism. government courts for corporate bankruptcies are a form of socialism. we can play this game all day.