On the Origins of Covid

This guy is deputy editor at Foreign Policy magazine, writes their weekly China Brief newsletter, used to live in Beijing and has written books about modern Chinese history.

https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1586728852109369344

https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1586555533649133568

https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1586729634892333057

https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1586731120900677632

There’s also a thread here from Angela Rasmussen saying that the evidence presented in the Senate report that biosecurity breaches occurred is actually evidence that they don’t know how BSL3+ labs work.

https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1586384704022151168

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The Dr one def worth a read. Thank you.

Linked in the Angela thread is this thread by a native Mandarin speaker in which he links to multiple native speakers and professional translators saying that the ProPublica contention that documents are speaking of a safety breach is a clear mistranslation. ProPublica translate a sentence as:

Every time this has happened, the members of the Zhengdian Lab [BSL4] Party Branch have always run to the frontline, and they have taken real action to mobilize and motivate other research personnel.

ProPublica say the “this” that has happened are safety breaches. But what these translators are saying is that instead of “every time this has happened”, the translation should be “at every such moment” or similar and that the “such moment” refers to what was discussed in the previous sentence, which was the handling of dangerous pathogens. Mandarin is a tenseless language, so one must use context to infer the correct tense. Here, for example, is the translation of a professional Mandarin translator:

https://twitter.com/bokane/status/1586548026386120704

https://twitter.com/bokane/status/1586551466604597248

https://twitter.com/bokane/status/1586551598309904385

In other words, this is propaganda of the “assuredly when difficult work must be done, THE PARTY will be there, leading the charge!” variety.

https://twitter.com/bokane/status/1586552681950240768

Looks like ProPublica really dropped the ball on this one.

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This piece, mostly from Michael Shellenberger and with a few contributions by Matt Taibbi, is doing the rounds on right-wing media. So far mainstream outlets aren’t touching it. The claim is that those three people from WIV who went to hospital with flu-like symptoms in November 2019 were people directly working on gain-of-function research with coronaviruses. One of them was allegedly awarded a grant by a funding body in China to work on a project titled “Pathogenicity of Two New Bat SARS-Related Coronaviruses to Transgenic Mice Expressing Human ACE2 Receptor” which was never published.

This is a huge story if true. We will have to wait and see if any documentary evidence emerges. It is credited to “multiple sources within the US government”. I don’t consider Shellenberger very credible, but the Times of London published a piece a few days ago in which they allude to much the same thing:

This changed in 2016 after researchers discovered a new type of coronavirus in a mineshaft in Mojiang in Yunnan province where people had died from symptoms similar to Sars.

Rather than warning the world, the Chinese authorities did not report the fatalities. The viruses found there are now recognised as the only members of Covid-19’s immediate family known to have been in existence pre-pandemic.

They were transported to the Wuhan institute and the work of its scientists became classified. “The trail of papers starts to go dark,” a US investigator said. “That’s exactly when the classified programme kicked off. My view is that the reason Mojiang was covered up was due to military secrecy related to [the army’s] pursuit of dual use capabilities in virological biological weapons and vaccines.”

According to the US investigators, the classified programme was to make the mineshaft viruses more infectious to humans.

They believe this led to the creation of the Covid-19 virus, and that it leaked into the city of Wuhan after a laboratory accident. “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic,” one of the investigators said.

They found evidence that researchers working on these experiments were taken to hospital with Covid-like symptoms in November 2019 — a month before the West became aware of the pandemic — and one of their relatives died.

An investigator said: “We were rock-solid confident that this was likely Covid-19 because they were working on advanced coronavirus research in the laboratory. They’re trained biologists in their thirties and forties. Thirty-five-year-old scientists don’t get very sick with influenza.”

The researchers are not named here, but this looks like much the same information, this time in a reputable newspaper. So I’ll be watching this story with interest.

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lol I went and checked out Angela Rasmussen’s twitter feed, as she is a reliable advocate for the zoonotic hypothesis, and she has about 700 tweets going apeshit about how bad the Times piece is, so I am adjusting my skepticism levels appropriately.

That you found any of that remotely credible is the most interesting part of that post. This nonsense is tiring.

The Times is a Murdoch broadsheet that would love to blame covid on the China government.
Disregard anything that doesn’t appear in more reputable outlets.

I only just encountered this elsewhere and came here to post it. It was an interesting read. I was amused that the lab leak proponent’s closing argument included this, about his debate opponent:

Peter, I think everyone can agree, has much more knowledge on [COVID] origins than we do. He’s invested much more time. He may be a much more talented researcher. He’s much more into the details. He probably knows the best in the world on origins at this point.

If you’re including that in your closing argument, that’s probably a bad sign.

Is covid testing still a thing or has it fallen into the endemic / it’s a standard cold phase?

Why wouldn’t it be a thing? We have a test for influenza? It is also used when needed.

Obviously we’re not testing to the extent that we once were, that’s probably due to what I assume you mean when you say “endemic/ it’s a standard cold phase”.

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I took a test a few weeks ago for the first time in a long time. And heard from a friend today who tested positive.

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Funnily enough, I currently can’t test for flu