Omicron, Boosters, and Asymptomatic Spread

[anon10387340]

If anybody wants to discuss this stuff without fear of big brother jumping down your throat and painting you into positions that are not your positions just because you’re not in their cool kids club, hit me up on PM. Just as long as you’re not a ban luster.

[anon38180840]

@anon84698652

Sure looks like you asked JT to be kind, and said everyone else was being civil.

🤷

Jesus Christ how fucking complicated is this? JT called me a liar in a one word post. Others called him a liar in other posts. In zero of those cases did I ask people to be kind or comment on civility. You cite this consistency as evidence of inconsistency.

[anon10387340]

@anon38180840

You cite this consistency as evidence of inconsistency.

Ummm, yes.

[anon38180840]

@anon84698652

So you retract the statement that everyone else has managed to be civil in the thread, cool.

No. Read better, or stop trolling. Wait, no, I’m not allowed to ask anyone to do anything. So perhaps you would be able to clarify the misunderstanding if you chose to re-read my replies and improved your level of reading comprehension. Or perhaps you already understand just fine and have other motivations.

[anon38180840]

@JohnnyTruant

She does not, and I have never said

vaccinated people who are contagious are equally as contagious for equally as long as unvaxxed.

Only you said that.

And yet I quoted your post quoting her and supporting her claim, that:

@JohnnyTruant

Still:

Once infected, vaccinated people seem to transmit COVID similarly to unvaccinated people.

Seems pretty simple. Are you attempting to draw a distinction between “contagious” and “transmit”?

[anon38180840]

Yes I wrote it, yes I stand by it, you’re the one being obtuse if you can’t figure out why I asked someone to be kind when name-calling and asked nobody to be kind when calling each other liars.

I treated everyone the same when they called each other liars! I ignored it!

[CaffeineNeeded]

@JohnnyTruant

My position is that vaccines will lower your chances of getting omicron by an unknown, and probably unknowable amount greater than zero but not enough to be a consideration in mitigation steps. That it’s highly contagious and highly transmissible both to and from vaccinated people. Delta was also efficiently transmissible in that population. Symptoms are reduced, both the identifiable ones that we can observe and likely the ones we may have that we don’t easily observe for vaccinated people, and bad outcomes greatly reduced. So there is some reduction in transmissibility compared to unvaxxed, and one could argue that any possible benefit is meaningful, but once you have already decided to get vaxxed for the reduction in bad outcomes you no longer need to find meaning there. It is not relevant. At that point, meaningful protection from getting and transmitting has to be obtained by other means. Masks of proper fit and filter, distancing, avoiding crowds and reducing contacts. Any additional benefit you get from the vaccine in terms of infection is a very thin layer in a multi layer approach.

If one is not as concerned with swerving omicron, or doesn’t have a choice to avoid some situations, they should realize they are likely to get it and pass it to someone if they are exposed with inadequate protection. There are valid arguments for taking more risk as a vaccinated person, but thinking you have meaningful protection from getting and transmitting it is a bad one.

For the people driving by, this is yet another example of how little differences there is between JT and everyone else here. He’s just here to pick fights over stupid bullshit because he’s mad about stupid bullshit, so he goes round and round with same dishonest nonsense. It’s not a coincidence this started right after Churchill got banned.

It’s time to move on from JT and let him spew into the ether until he decides he can be productive again, which he is more than capable of. He’s not here to learn more or drink the proverbial water.

[anon10387340]

Oh cool so everybody was being civil except for all the posts you chose to ignore. Ya that should have been easy for us to figure out lol.

[anon10387340]

@CaffeineNeeded

It’s time to move on from JT

You can move on all you want, but you are not the arbiter here.

[CaffeineNeeded]

Neither are you.

[anon38180840]

@JohnnyTruant

Quote it. Me or her.

I already quoted you quoting her saying almost word for word what I accused you of saying. Since you demand that I quote it again, I’ll quote it again:

@anon38180840

This is specifically in reference to claims that vaccinated people who are contagious are equally as contagious for equally as long as unvaxxed. Or similarly, same thing.

@JohnnyTruant

I never made this claim. What leads you to believe I think this?

@JohnnyTruant

Still:

Once infected, vaccinated people seem to transmit COVID similarly to unvaccinated people.

Something something jello to a tree.

[anon10387340]

Right, and I’m not trying to be. You are.

[anon38180840]

@anon10387340

Oh cool so everybody was being civil except for all the posts you chose to ignore. Ya that should have been easy for us to figure out lol.

This includes ignoring JT calling me a liar in a one word post, which did not result in a call for civility and kindness. It’s almost like name-calling is on one side of the line IMO and questioning someone’s truthfulness is not. Then it’s almost like I applied the same standard to everyone. Then it’s almost like some people saw an opportunity to misconstrue that and troll me.

No, wait, it’s exactly like that.

[anon38180840]

I’m out of this one, enough responding to bullshit for one night.

[anon10387340]

Seriously? We’re supposed to get inside your head and figure out that you let one slide and it was evened up or whatever and then Johnny got in another poke, and at that point it was right and just to call for kindness? Like WTF???

[anon10396289]

@superuberbob

Can this become the official JT COVID containment thread so the other one can be readable again?

no

[anon10387340]

Well then I guess a special COVID thread for important happenings in the Czech Republic is also a no go?

[anon10387340]

He’s trolling his ass off, especially his drama pleas for kindness.

[NotBruceZ]

I wish you’d posted this link before I went searching for it in the other thread.

A peer-reviewed study of 162 Delta-infected index cases and their 231 household contacts—who were tracked and tested every day for up to 20 days, regardless of symptoms—found that once infected, the vaccinated were just as likely to transmit COVID to people in their own households as the unvaccinated: about a quarter of both did so. They also found that the asymptomatic infection rate among vaccinated and unvaccinated participants was similar: around 30 percent. This was published in Lancet Infectious Disease.

It helps in debating here if people post both the relevant text and the link. Doing only one is infuriating and leads to unnecessary argument with people who really should read the article, bit who ldo aren’t going to. Anyone who fails to cite at this level can’t claim to be explaining things clearly.

[NotBruceZ]

The process of hunting down the link from the other thread and reading it between poker hands started before you posted it ITT.