Moderation

[anon38180840]

@RiskyFlush

They’re often like hilarious five-minute spoofs of Twilight Zone.

You might want to sit down for this…

[RiskyFlush]

Don’t do it to me gooby

[anon38180840]

I’ve never seen Twilight Zone.

[RiskyFlush]

To the @Trolly cave STAT

We need a recommendation for Top 5 Simpsons and Top 5 Twilight Zone episodes for someone who’s never seen either

Imagine if cuse many years from now was on his deathbed and had still never seen an episode of either show. We can’t let him face that eternal regret.

[WAR]

Could the admins rig it so that whenever cuse clicks reply to a nunn post it instead redirects him to a stream of a classic Simpsons episode? Seems like a win-win-win solution.

[6ix]

@anon38180840

You left out the part where the argument is mostly in good faith for hundreds and hundreds of posts over several weeks, with like the worst things being directed at nunn as “LOL” only to eventually have nunn start mis-characterizing our positions

I wasn’t leaving anything out in that sense, I was just providing an illustration of why the thread was insane in that most/all of it stemmed from initially mischaracterizing and/or simply misunderstanding Nunn’s original position.

Like, I just read you repeating this line,

Motherfucker, Mitch McConnell is NOT going to respond by doing the right thing. 0.0% chance.

but his entire position was predicated upon Mitch McConnell not responding by doing the right thing! That’s the entire point of taking the shitty deal and guaranteeing some people help now (in past tense), the only help guaranteed.

It’s like it was a minor misunderstanding of a game theory problem that snowballed into World War UP because you people have a (justifiably!) bad history with Nunn.

Dr. M summed some of it up:

@DrModern

Did you guys, like, all watch that Showtime Russiagate movie and lose your cool while I wasn’t posting? Or are you all really just this bad at conditional probability? The histrionics ITT are pretty ridiculous, though it is amusing to me to see this back-of-envelope trolley problem thinking revealed in its full utilitarian splendor. Let me indulge you, though. Here are the options:

1. Get $1T now + win across the board in November + get another relief bill in January (best outcome)
2. Get $1T now + lose either Senate or presidency + no relief bill in January (mediocre outcome)
3. Get $0 now + win across the board in November + get a relief bill in January (mediocre outcome, but the best possible under your strategy)
4. Get $0 now + win across the board in November + no relief bill in January (unlikely but possible)
5. Get $0 now + lose either Senate or presidency + no relief in January (most likely outcome under the strategy you’re urging)

You guys are saying we have to go for option 3 because taking the $1T makes the Republicans look good. It’s left completely unaddressed why Democrats couldn’t just come out with rhetoric saying something to the effect of “While we recognize that this amount is grossly inadequate, we realized something needed to be done to restart the flow of money, and this paltry amount is all those bastards would give us. Vote for us in November to get the relief you really deserve!”

In short, you’re all ignoring that scenario 5 is by far the most likely outcome for your plan. Which amounts to ignoring the slight upside of scenario 2 and the highest upside scenario 1. I’d say it’s the classic mistake of “making the perfect the enemy of the good,” except you’re actively refusing to consider the worst case scenario for your plan and refusing to see the best case scenario. This is especially amusing coming from Biden supporters, since he promises to govern well to the right of Obama–he won’t pass M4A, won’t restore the social welfare state, won’t pass a Green New Deal, won’t pass UBI, likely won’t raise the minimum wage, and won’t raise taxes on the wealthy.

IOW you think you’re playing poker, but you’re actually playing chess. When someone dies, they’re gone forever. Give me the full mathematical equation using the effect on Biden’s estimated win% and all of the relevant Senate races as wedge variables, with deaths as the relevant units, and a full estimate of the death toll of a second Trump term, with specifics as to cause of death. No verbal shortcuts. I want to see you calculate in blood. Of course, an accurate calculation will take hundreds of hours of research, but I believe in you guys.

[MysteryConman]

@RiskyFlush

We need a recommendation for Top 5 Simpsons

I did one of my two senior year capstone projects on the Simpsons (BA in Communication FTW).

The episode where Lisa becomes a vegetarian is one of my all-time faves.

Magical Animal

[econophile]

Imagine that after being the lone survivor of the pandemic, Cuse finally got interested in watching the Simpsons and the Twilight Zone. But then he broke his TV.

[nunnehi]

I’m not looking for any response, but I think it’s worth noting that what you witnessed in that thread is what Cuse and others have been doing to me in numerous threads since the old site. I know my positions even though they keep telling me my positions are not at all what I argued. Does it make sense to you why I have an issue with these people and why I would eventually push back the way I do? It’s the same gang…all…the…time…

[anon38180840]

@6ix

but his entire position was predicated upon Mitch McConnell not responding by doing the right thing! That’s the entire point of taking the shitty deal and guaranteeing some people help now (in past tense), the only help guaranteed.

No, he said somewhere in there that we had to allow for the chance that McConnell just decided to do the right thing in November/December.

@6ix

Dr. M summed some of it up:

I disagree with some of his characterizations, but we had a good faith debate in that thread so I won’t rehash it here. That’s kind of the point. Dr. Modern and a couple others also disagreed and we had good faith discussions of it in that thread.

[MasterofthePwn]

Not watching the Simpsons is such a Lisa move.

[6ix]

Also, I should point out that, bolstered by the personal stuff he’s shared, @WichitaDM is one of the posters I have a genuine heartfelt caring for. Not saying I don’t care about you other pieces of shit but he’s one where when I see his name I have a sort of paternal (even though he’s probably older, whatev) emotional response and think about how I hope he’s doing ok.

Point is, if I’m to be biased about this it’s clear which direction it’d go.

But I’m just sharing my book report after reading 1500 posts in the damned, cursed thread.

[otatop]

@anon38180840

I have never watched The Simpsons

I nominate we ban Cuse until he watches the first 8 seasons on Disney+.

[6ix]

@anon38180840

No, he said somewhere in there that we had to allow for the chance that McConnell just decided to do the right thing in November/December.

I added then deleted that both of your sides had included in your analyses an outside chance of Mitch being pressured into doing the right thing, just with different pressure sources and timings.

I didn’t want to get that verbose; I’m joking about it becoming a book report.

[WichitaDM]

I appreciate that. As I have said many times over the last day and change I am not perfect. I have tried to be better. My overall goal is not to win some grudge match war but to see this place continue to thrive. I genuinely care about pretty much all the regs. If nunn ever wanted to have a phone call or text conversation and actually work this out with me I would give it a chance regardless of what has happened so far.

I have refrained from going on some crusade against him for 2020 until now and it is mostly because this year has sucked and I’ll be damned if I am going to let this place turn into the shitshow the rest of the world has been. Not saying i handled it perfectly but my motives are not evil. I am not a grotesque monster. I take great offense to being called that over and over. The people who have out right defended calling me that have surprised me but whatever.

[RiskyFlush]

Nor are you evil for having shared that you experience abuse from his actions. You’re not a monster for feeling pain from how he treats you. You’re not a monster for sharing the impact of his actions. You don’t have to justify or persuade me of those feelings or experiences. Nor does anyone else. I accept that this is what you experienced. Where we go from there… <3

[Chuckleslovakian]

@MysteryConman

@RiskyFlush

We need a recommendation for Top 5 Simpsons

I did one of my two senior year capstone projects on the Simpsons (BA in Communication FTW).

The episode where Lisa becomes a vegetarian is one of my all-time faves.

youtube.com/watch?v=LlhwGTnHw0o

So many great moments in that episode

independent thought alarm

[MysteryConman]

The episode is top tier. The Ned Flanders family reunion. And the Troy McClure(Phil Hartman) Meat PSA.

Meat And You: Partners In Freedom (The Simpsons)

I will stop my Simpsons youtubes derail…starting now.

[DrChesspain]

[Tilted]

After reading the last 500 posts here; I greatly welcome the Simpsons derail.