LOL Democrats - Tik Tok on the clock, but the party don't stop

Meanwhile the pro-Biden propaganda was so good we literally had this entire forum repeating it. Stuff like BIDEN HASN’T GONE DOWNHILL MENTALLY IT’S JUST HIS CHILDHOOD STUTTER COMING BACK.

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I thought nomatterwho was a funny gimmick but they appear to be serious

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yes i follow. :roll_eyes: here is just the latest compilation of democrat statements. nothing except “expand the court”. no other reform is discussed.

https://ussanews.com/2022/06/24/democrats-call-for-expanding-supreme-court-after-string-of-losses/

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not sure which dem debates you were watching. there wasn’t even a consensus on stage on whether to expand seats, much less about term limits.

you are probably super disappointed that bidrn didn’t just try to shove court reform by himself and failed, and we could argue if that would have made more headway into the issue earlier in his term (when he still had approval ratings). but asking for actual constitutional opinions was the more serious plan. we didn’t get what we wanted, but it was the correct thing to do to study what to do while mcconnell/trmp totally delegitimized the institution.

cancel button plz

It’s probably easier to make inroads into the Dem party. As annoying as the eDems are, AOC showed that they’re kind of powerless against primary opponents that do enough grassroots work to beat them. It’s obviously hard, but whatever amount of work is needed to start a whole new party is also hard.

It’s also really hard to find AOCs.

Contrast how desperate the media is to find and elevate “rising star” Republicans vs. their treatment of young progressives.

Smart people see this. Why put up with being put on blast by right wing media only to be sabotaged by your own party? I can’t even imagine the shit Ilhan Omar has to put up with.

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Indeed. But in @clovis8 's scenario here where you build a whole new third party you’re also going to need a bunch more AOCs.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

https://twitter.com/senateppg/status/1540165965824106496?s=21&t=0CnIyxd2RX8fkfdkLbkaqQ

Republicans will filibuster any attempt to add states likely to have Democratic Senators. Dems won’t have enough votes to abolish the filibuster.

This is why I consider libertarianism to be a bigger scourge than religious conservatism.

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What are your thoughts about abortion?

That is because they don’t realize themselves as any kind of class (marxist classes which are based on relations of production arent the only possible class schema).

Why does it matter? Foregrounding class identity allows people to be able to separate personal ethics from class motivations.

TLDR: hyperindividualism is the issue. An individual can’t change society as an individual actor.

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that’s an artifact of makeup of the current congress and the political will of the democrats elected to it. It’s not a feature of “the current constitution” which is what I was responding to

Fuck off old man

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1540383017948037121?s=21&t=0CnIyxd2RX8fkfdkLbkaqQ

without resorting to the obvious calvinball that would actually occur, can someone give me a sound legal argument in a situation where the state can outlaw abortions that would prevent the state from mandating them? The argument in the decision isn’t “those fetuses are legally people” correct? The argument is simply “the constitution doesn’t protect this particular right of the person carrying the fetus” in which case the constitution also does not protect that person from the government mandating a procedure?

of course I know what the actual practical answer is here, “fuck you no,” I am just trying to understand the actual reasoning Alito laid out without actually reading.

The woman has a right to have things not done to her body

However she doesn’t have the right to do things to her body

If it ever came down to it, they would toss the above into some sort of word salad. I’m not suggesting it’s “sound”. But it’s an argument. Kind of.

Probably the wrong thread for this, but I’d be more comfortable with the allowing the minimum required by Roe. I do not believe in any version of bodily autonomy that would prevent the government from enforcing a vaccine mandate.

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Concur on both.

There is precedent for the idea that a competent adult can refuse unwanted medical care (even if it would be necessary to save said person’s life). Of course the relevant case (Cruzan I think) falls in the realm of substantive due process, so in theory the current court could revisit the Constitutional question, but I think it would be hard for the state to identify any legitimate state interest in doing something like mandating an abortion.

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  1. Your source is a wee bit questionable there…

  1. It’s a collection of tweets. Do you expect candidates to lay out a detailed court reform plan in 140 characters?

  2. There are plenty of examples of Dems talking about it with more complexity. Here are two I found quickly.

  1. The fact that there wasn’t consensus in the debates is not even close to proof that nobody had good or serious ideas. It’s proof we need to get to that point of consensus.

  2. My point is that his “studying” of the issue was really just a way to stuff it on the back burner while pretending to take it seriously, and I’d bet the commission or whatever knew it wasn’t supposed to rock the boat.

  3. I’d like to circle back to #1. Really, dude? Someone named VoteForSocialists gets news from Tea Party sites and argues vehemently in favor of the establishment? That’s nunn too clever.