No, my position is that there is a proportional response to people committing property crimes and it stops well short of killing them.
Ikes is a very very bad reader.
I donāt think B&E should carry an instant death sentence, but itās also hard for me to judge someone who wakes up in the night to find someone smashing into their home and starts blasting out of fear and adrenaline. I file that under āplay stupid games, win stupid prizes.ā
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Believing in self defense isnāt the same as the death penalty, and itās just dishonest to pretend otherwise. If someone throws a punch at me and I punch back and they die, I donāt believe in the death penalty for battery
But you do think you should be charged with manslaughter?
Why would I be charged with manslaughter for defending myself? I didnāt act recklessly in this scenario.
As much fun as this is to say, it is the equivalent of approving of someone killing someone for breaking into your house. That should be the last resort not the first impulse. There should be steps taken before shooting someone. If there wasnāt time or too much confusion or other mitigating circumstances, that is what trials are for. Just because someone hasnāt bothered to take any kind of training when they bought a gun doesnāt mean they can use that as an excuse to murder intruders.
Because a bar fight isnāt a capital offense. If you are trained enough to hit someone hard enough to kill them, you are trained enough to NOT hit someone hard enough to kill them. Someone dying in a fight implies that there was too much force being used by someone.
This whole conversation is your usual thing Ikes. You mischaracterized what Clovis and Kerowo said as being a person can never defend themselves with violence and then you donāt even understand when you are arguing (the words you type anyway) that you can always shoot someone in your house.
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Anyone that you feel an obligation to protect seems to fit the bill.
No it really isnāt, thatās the fallacy you keep making. Expecting people under extreme duress and fear to make flawless decisions is silly and unreasonable. Thatās not the same as saying āI approve of the decisions that were made.ā Youāre also deliberately conflating kids cutting across someoneās backyard with someone kicking your door in. Obviously the specific circumstances matter.
because someone hasnāt bothered to take any kind of training when they bought a gun
So take the gun out of the equation. Someone kicks in my door and I throw a pot at them, breaking their skull. Iām a bloodthirsty monster?
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Oh boy, 125 new posts, the Dems mustāve really done something stupid this time! Oh, itās the same guy who constantly derails threads with personal attacks and semantikesing that the mods do nothing about? Ah. Well. Nevertheless!
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Again, no one has said otherwise. Punching back after being punched isnāt capital punishment.
I feel like people breaking into someoneās home are usually working up the courage for rape and or murder. This is what we have seen with a bunch of serial killers. They start off with voyeurism. Iām basically fine with shooting anyone in my house besides children/teenager. If you want to steal shit go to Target. What are you expecting to find in my house? What is the end goal?
It feels like youāve watched too many movies if you donāt think home invasion is out of of a pure act of desperation
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What is their goal? What are they looking to find? How is it better than just stealing something from Target? I was so desperate for ___________ that I had to break into their house.
Meth heads are constantly getting arrested for breaking into and stealing from rural houses where they donāt think anyone is home.
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Their goal is to steal some shit and resell as a pure act of desperation
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Iām actually kinda curious why you think this a lead up to rape and murder?
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