LC Thread 2020: What the PUNK? ROCK.

I’m not going to get into this silly debate but the nature conservancy does a massive amount of the most important conservation and environmental work in North America. Putting conservation in quotes for them shows a serious lack of understanding of how it works.

I’m not playing the “look at this one bad thing they did” game anymore then I am for a politician.

They still are in the US and some species here. They are just getting extirpated at the fringe of their historical range.

In a few areas, not many though and not like the 50s-70s.

Greater sage grouse have disappeared from more than 50 percent of their range, and the prairie chicken from more than 86 percent of theirs. Both are candidates for listing under the Endangered Species Act. But the stark differences in federal goals for these two species highlight problems in how the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) is managing different species.

Thats for sure.

They seem pretty suspect. A lot of non-profits suck.

The Nature Conservancy has a strong business relationship with some of the nation’s largest energy producers, such as Chevron and Duke Energy, and many large businesses such as Dow Chemical. [8] TNC has also maintained associations with the political center-right: Former Senate Republican Leader Bill Frist is a member of the TNC board[9] and a former president of the libertarian Reason Foundation is a TNC executive. [10] The Nature Conservancy’s past willingness to work with energy companies, including one deal in which oil and gas drilling was permitted on a large Texas prairie property otherwise protected from further commercial development, earned criticism from other left-of-center activists, one of which publicly accused TNC of losing its “moral compass.” [11]

A bunch of liberals in their wine cave auctioning off murder permits to psychopaths.

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Fine, let’s say trophy hunting is good, all things considered. That doesn’t change the fact that anyone who wants to be the one doing the hunting is a fucking psycho.

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That I agree with.

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I’ll take a hard pass on adopting the watevs school of “logic” in this case thanks.

Then don’t sell them permits to murder bears.

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Look if you hunt game and beat it face-to-face that’s cool. Like you kill a bear with a knife or beat a buffalo by headbutting it to death, you deserve it. If you’re 500 yards away wearing camo and use bait to lure it out of a conservation area so you can shoot it then fuck you. Get put on blast on social media, lose your business and be hated by anybody with a heart.

At least give the animal a fighting chance if you’re gonna try and kill it.

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Then what’s Saskatchewan? Alabama?

I just figured that Saskatchewan was redder than Alberta, which ruled out a lot of options.

Ok, Minnesota it is.

Yeah Manitoba and Saskatchewan have a bit more NDP support than Alberta, the liberal party is pretty much dead across the prairies though.

Ho hum, nothing to see here. They’re not even using that system anymore. nbd

As a Midwesterner, hunting is just so weird to me. I know decent guys who love getting out into the woods and value conservation and all that, but also they shoot deer for sport like goddamn sociopaths. I suspect culture and the power of childhood nostalgia is a big part of why this tradition continues: if you’re a rural Michigander you remember going out with dad and firing your first shot from a rifle; it’s part of the culture. I sort of get that. Baseball is the second most boring sport ever devised but I still enjoy watching the occasional baseball game in large part because I used to go out to games with dad and like watching baseball is part of being a red-blooded American and whatnot.

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Curious what you think is first.

Cricket, obv.

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This is spectacularly unfair way to characterize the argument I’ve made. It’s not some knee jerk red-neckism cause I’m Albertan. I’m speaking from 25 years working in conservation in a professional and volunteer capacity.

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