Land of Hope & Glory? - UK Politics and other stuff

Fake, apparently :frowning:

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From a work meeting (Chatham House rules apply), there is the belief that Octoberā€™s outcome is likely to end up in the courts.
Read into that what you will, but that clearly doesnā€™t happen if Johnson obeys the Benn Act and gets an extension.

You know its a difficult subject for me because growing up where I did I knew these peeps from childhood when things were simple, went to school with them and seen the changes.
@fidgetUK is correct that bigots is the word to use, alough growing up here(In my City) calling yourself British has a taint to it.

Anyways My British friend while watching the celtic game attacked my bigoted friend for calling me a fā€¦ bastard and tried to put the bigot out the window until he appoligied. That was a fun day lol.

Iā€™m happy to say Iā€™m from the UK but British just has this taint that itā€™s hard for me to do so I use UK or Scottish both of which I am.

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:+1: Nice

Yup thatā€™s usā€¦ All mixed company, none call ourselves British and my family is all mixed too with no bigots thankfully, which being from here is highly unusual :joy:

My cousins played for each team lolā€¦ Both quite good alough Damā€¦ Canā€™t even tell the story or Iā€™ll dox myself hahaha.

Iā€™ve always tried to stay out of the Irish troubles and the 1 time I did a deep dive it was @marty posts on the old site that I read, then done some of my own research, which marty directed me too. :+1:

I do hope 1 day Ireland is whole again as I believe Scotland should too, through peaceful means Ofcourse. If ever possible.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/schooltruth/status/1178206681731387392

Corbyn as interim PM in a temporary govt by the end of October is looking more and more likely imo. The SNP are already on board, and as October progresses the Lib Demā€™s may come to decide that itā€™s the only way to stop Johnson from crashing us out without a deal. Iā€™ve backed Corbyn at 5/2 to be next PM, which seems a great bet since thereā€™s still plenty of equity even if Johnson clings to power.

If Johnson is still PM in November it means heā€™s either backed down and requested an extension (which would cause the Tories to spew votes to Farage in key seats) or heā€™s somehow managed to drag the UK out of the EU without a deal (which would make his rich buddies very happy but would cause economic and social carnage for the country and legal peril for him personally). Either scenario gives Labour a (slight) chance of if not winning an election then at least being senior partner in a coalition government.

Buddy is offering me 3:1 on $500 that Britain leaves EU if I take the doesnā€™t leave in next 2 years side.

This seems like a good bet for me but Iā€™m not following brexit super close. Has to be better than 3:1 they never leave at this point no?

No brexit before 2022 has generally been around a 5/1 shot since Mayā€™s deal got voted down the first time, but since Boris began setting fire to everything the marketā€™s headed in the direction of ā€œheā€™s full of shit and anything could happen.ā€ You could have got 8/1 or better if youā€™d had a crystal ball 12 months ago, but right now the price on Betfair is 3.65.

3/1 is a fair price imo (suggests a 25% chance of Brexit not happening before the end of 2021) but I wouldnā€™t back it. Too many variables! If as seems likely we get an extension then go to a GE before christmas thereā€™s a good chance of a hard brexit coalition taking power and then itā€™s gg. Weā€™re relying on Boris continuing to shit the bed AND the opposition parties managing to efficiently take advantage of it, which is a tenuous hope.

The only thing that gives me pause is that Johnson hasnā€™t already agreed to ask for an extension in exchange for an election ASAP. I think that implies he fears losing it. I donā€™t think he should, but hopefully he knows better than me.

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That is absolute genius.

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https://twitter.com/anguswalkertalk/status/1178624413543088131?s=20

GET READY FOR BREXIT ON OCT 31 THO

I think all these nonsense proposals are part of preparing the ground to try and get Mayā€™s deal through with just language changes. Partly to make it look like thereā€™s some genuine negotiation going on, partly to show the likes of the ERG and the DUP that theyā€™ve tried everything. Everyone with even half a brain knows that a deal is better than no deal, and even the likes of Mark Francois have been talking up the possibility lately.

The open question, to which I honestly donā€™t know the answer, is whether they can sell the tarted up deal to the low info numbskulls who have swallowed that a backstop equals a betrayal of Brexit. If they donā€™t think they can pull that off then theyā€™ll march the UK over the cliff, I think. Maybe theyā€™ll need a forced extension and a General Election first, maybe not.

It did at first surprise me how completely the issues in Ireland donā€™t really interest Brexit happy conservatives. I donā€™t know if itā€™s ignorance, or a belief they can keep it isolated from where people who ā€˜matterā€™ live, or an idea that theyā€™ll cut it all loose. Possibly all three. They know they want a deal and thatā€™s the sticking point, but beyond that I do now think they genuinely donā€™t give a shit.

(I mean, I never thought they cared about the people, just I imagined they might remember what a problem for everyone it was)

A friend of mine runs a news website in Indonesia. They wanted someone to talk about Brexit for their news podcast.

I thought it went pretty well. Intro is in Indonesian. My section (In English) starts at 2 minutes 17.

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I didnā€™t think it was quite that bad (no Brexit the only way to avoid some violence), but I had no experience to base that on.

Iā€™m ignorant of how that dynamic plays out in Ireland, can organisations like the UVF still influence the policy of the likes of the DUP? I assume thatā€™s what you mean by a few million - so the pay offs that the DUP might secure would also be the sort of thing that appeases the hardcore loyalist leadership on the streets?

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