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Corbyn says he understands that MPs have some concerns about the Benn bill being debated tomorrow - that it is seen as trying to reverse Brexit.

But that is not the case, he says.

He says this bill is just about providing “vital breathing space” to allow MPs to find a way through this mess.

He says if MPs do not back this motion, they may not get another chance.

Whether people voted leave or remain, they did not vote to shut down democracy.

He says he urges MPs to do what they think is right for their constituencies.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the Commons, is speaking for the government.

He says people voted to leave the EU. MPs must respect that decision.

He says today’s procedure is constitutionally irregular.

(He is referring to the fact that John Bercow, the Speaker, is allowing an SO24 emergency debate to pass a motion giving MPs control of the order paper tomorrow. In the past they have always been used for neutral motions with no practical effect. Earlier this year Bercow indicated that he was willing to allow the procedure to be used to creatively than it was in the past.)

He says this motion risks subverting parliament’s role in scrutinising the executive.

He says he is not challenging John Bercow’s impartiality. But impartiality is not the same as infallibility, he says.

It’s not often you see Torys calling Torys lying bastards but that’s what’s happening… OK Candor is the word used.

Dominic Grieve, a Tory rebel, intervenes. He says Rees-Mogg talked about the need for parliament to scrutinise the executive. Yet the government is proroguing parliament for longer than needed. He says the government has also not always been honest, as when it said Operation Yellowhammer was a document produced by the old government. and the government has not been honest about the reasons for prorogation, he says. When these issues are considered together, you can see why people do not trust the government, Grieve says.

Rees-Mogg says Grieve is wrong. He says the decision to prorogue was routine.

JRM Telling peeps “Their Role”

Oh fuck he’s telling a story of what he calls an upstanding speaker, and what they would do, too John Bercow the speaker. :sweat_smile::sweat_smile::sweat_smile: Lmao.

Blackpool

Seaside

Unconstitutional

Drink… :beers:

Here comes the speaker… :sweat_smile:

I have taken legal advice and I’m convinced I’ve taken the correct procedure. Do or die… Bercow 2019

Oh man Bercow is class… After the speech he has sat with 1 arm on his chair smugly looking dismissively at JRM… :sweat_smile:

John Bercow 2019…

John Bercow, the Speaker, intervenes. He says he is satisfied that his judgment is correct. Although SO24 motions are normally in neutral terms, he says the SO24 procedure has been used for what he would call more “evaluative motions”. He cites a debate on 18 March 2013 (a debate on plans for a royal charter on press conduct) and a debate on 11 December 2018 (a debate on Theresa May shelving the ‘meaningful vote’). Both of these took place under SO24.

Bercow says all he is doing is allowing parliament to debate an important issue.

He insists that he will not be thrown off course, and he ends his peroration on this by quoting Boris Johnson, saying he will carry on “do or die”.

Rees-Mogg says parliamentary rules (the ones he has accuses John Bercow of subverting) are there to protect people from tyranny. He says there is a tried and tested means of removing an unpopular government - a confidence vote. But Labour has not tabled one, because it is afraid of losing, he claims.

Rees-Mogg turns to the detail of the bill.

He says the provisions that would allow another similar bill to be debated on day two of the next session of parliament, if this one does not pass the Lords, would interrupt the Queen’s speech.

The SNP’s David Linden asks for an assurance that, if the bill passes the Commons and the Lords, the government will not try to stop it getting royal assent.

Rees-Mogg says the government will follow the law.

I’ve never seen a MP giving way to so many other mp’s In parliament, ever.

Protesters chanting “stop the coup” have begun marching past the Houses of Parliament, the Press Association is reporting. Purple, red and green smoke was released at the front of the column of demonstrators who are blocking the road from Parliament Square leading up to College Green in Westminster.

JRM does not know when he was told of the decision to Prorogue parliament. :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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Hilary Benn, the Labour chair of the Brexit committee, and the principal sponsor of the bill to be debated tomorrow if this motion passes, asks how he can say there is anything wrong with this procedure given that the Speaker has approved it.

Rees-Mogg says there is a difference between irregular and improper. This procedure might not be improper, but it is irregular, he says.

About sums him up…

Ian Blackford, the SNP leader at Westminster, is speaking now. He accuses Boris Johnson of acting like a dictator. And he says the Conservative party is now acting like a cult.
:v:

Ian Blackford is killing him, alough I’m biasd.

Ian Blackford is speaking, and the whole house is giving him total respect. Makes a change :sweat_smile:

New ERG chair Steve Baker says Tories should have pact with Brexit party in event of early electionr
Turning away from the debate for a moment, Steve Baker, the new chair of the European Research Group, has given an interesting briefing to journalists. During the leadership election Boris Johnson ruled out an election pact with the Brexit party. But Baker, after a meeting of the ERG where he took over as chair from Jacob Rees-Mogg, said the Tories would need to reach an arrangement with Nigel Farage’s party to win a general election before Brexit. Baker said:

What’s very clear to me is if we have an election before we have left the European Union, and the Brexit party think that we are heading in a direction which does not deliver our independence from the EU, then they will stand candidates virtually everywhere.

And the result will be as per Peterborough and in Wales - they will result in a Lib/Lab Remain coalition and we will lose Brexit, and that’s why I’ve said we need to have some sort of accommodation with them but we are not quite at that bridge yet.

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WTO deals is equivalent to North Koreas trade deals… Kenneth Clarke

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He [Clarke} says parliament has voted against no deal. But Boris Johnson has put himself into the situation where he has to have no deal.

If parliament allows itself to be sidelines, the impact this would have on what future governments might to would be “horrendous”.

  • Clarke says allowing Johnson to implement a no-deal Brexit against the wishes of parliament would set a “horrendous” precedent for the future.

He mocks Jacob Rees-Mogg for what he said about a WTO Brexit being acceptable. (See 9.25pm.) He says no doubt the North Koreans thrive on such a regime. The only other countries trading just on WTO terms are Algeria and Serbia, he says. He says he admires Rees-Mogg’s ability to keep a straight face when he was making this argument.

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Clarke says the obvious compromise is a soft Brexit, that would keep the economic relationship with the EU (ie, single market membership).

He says people say this amounts to disrespecting the referendum result.

But he says he has voted for Brexit three times. He voted for a deal that Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the Commons, now derides.

Thornberry says Labour will not vote for general election until bill ruling out no-deal Brexit becomes law
Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, has just told Sky News that Labour is desperate to hold a general election. But, asked if Labour would support a vote for a general election tomorrow, she says the party might abstain, or vote against. She says the party wants to see the bill ruling out a no-deal Brexit on 31 October passed first.

Under the Letwin plan, the bill could become law on Monday.

No 10 has been saying that, if the government loses the vote tonight, Boris Johnson will push for a vote on an early election tomorrow. But without Labour’s support, he will not get the two-thirds majority required under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act for the vote to be operable.

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Let’s hope that Corbyn’s just playing games about considering voting for a GE in October.

And Hate Hoey should really just fuck right off and join the Tories.

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https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1168980398166237185

Some weird shit going on over there

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