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https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1191298375532105731

Don’t like the weird cut to a mid-shot in the middle of it, otherwise solid, imo. Don’t remember a Labour leader ever talking about the press like that, only just about old enough to remember Smith/the end of Kinnock, though.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/JuneMay63903038/status/1191299934189957120

https://mobile.twitter.com/ImIncorrigible/status/1191492621371359232

This would have been better in the 2+2 forum where more of the brexit ****heads run around.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1192794879899906048

Just that when an extreme regime wins power it’s a natural reaction to want the opposition to combat it from the opposite side of the political horse shoe, but because what’s happened is the Overton window has shifted towards the bad end of things you should be prepared to make more compromises in your choice of political leaders than are ideal.

Our American friends here are almost unanimously supporting Sanders or Warren for the Dem candidacy (as am I policy-wise) and seem resolutely against moderate candidates like Buttigieg or Bloomberg because they seem like washouts (which they largely are) and aren’t a strong enough antidote to Trump, when really the situation there is so dire that they should probably get behind whichever candidate they think offers the greatest chance of getting rid of Trump.

cf Thatcher. In hindsight we’d have been better off in 1983 with a centrist Labour leader like Healey/Shore/Jenkins/Owen than the idealistic and popular with party loyalists but low electoral-appeal Foot.

If this all sounds a bit Blairite that’s because it probably is, and there’s not much else I agreed with him about other than the pressing need to bin the Tories.

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Implementing Thatcherite policies to own the Tories. Classic Tone.

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Thatcher-lite really, and I didn’t support him for the leadership anyway because it was clear in the mid 90s that sentiment had changed dramatically against the right and we could have afforded to go for a bolder candidate and still win elections.

The economy was booming and the middle classes were open to more left wing policies, which made the advent of Blair all the more frustrating.

We really needed the two leader types transposed, with a Thatcher-defeating Blairite in 1983/7 and a leftier Footist in 1995.

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Vote for the politicians you actually want and let the rest sort itself out.

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There haven’t been many of those around. I contend that most UK elections have been won by the “stop the other side” candidate.

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Sorry, meant that as a general reply, but, for the most part, whenever I’ve voted tactically I’ve sightly regretted it. However I think I’ve mostly otherwise voted for the best that exists, rather than wholehearted support.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1192803905824075776

Haven’t listened or watched the BBC news in a while, but had 6 music on this morning and every hourly bulletin lead with something like “Labour spending plans to cost 5 billion”. So literally the headline news according to them was just the bullshit Tory talking point of the day. Didn’t think it had got that bad, but am not overly surprised.

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Labour haven’t even published their manifesto yet and already they’re being accused of planning to bankrupt the country.

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People will invent any amount of bollocks to aviod having to admit they vote Tory to pay less tax.

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BBC has a documentary on how the Troubles affected Scotland on BBC Scotland this Tuesday.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Ian_Fraser/status/1193124961243869185

It’s the 11th of November, so what better day to attack Corbyn because he might not want to deploy weapons capable of killing millions? A day like any other, no?

Defence minister Johnny Mercer (after Thornberry did not rush to say a Labour Government would be delighted to nuke some bad guys):

It is important that Labour urgently clarifies their position on whether or not they would actually be prepared to use our nuclear deterrent if needed. They should start by telling us who exactly will sit on this committee that would consider whether or not to authorise a nuclear strike or not in the face of a foreign threat?

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Party leader Nigel Farage said standing candidates across the country could increase the chances of another EU referendum taking place.

yeah god forbid that the electorate get asked the direct question “are you sure about this?”