Padre Dam Municipal Water District (the candidates I’m working for are running for this board) is a public utility, as are all of the municipal and county water districts here in San Diego. I agree that I wish their operating costs could come from property taxes, but just like LA, Prop 13 fucked us hard. Are you saying that you don’t have a separate water bill in LA?
Seems like you’re just being a dick and it’s tiresome. There are a lot of ways to fund things. I realize that making the first x-gallons free would require funding from somewhere else, whether that’s higher rates on water over x-gallons or inputs from other taxes and of course I fucking know that getting taxes raised is not trivial. Yeah, I know, Universal Health Care is impossible. Free college is impossible. Cutting the defense budget is impossible. And a couple hundred gallons of water a month is also impossible.
it’s only that when you factor in the cost of building a pipeline, AND the cost of removing sulfur, AND burning oil at the site to push it through said pipeline, AND the price of oil burn is sky-high like $100 or similar. the project makes no economic sense anyway at lower price of oil anyway, because of other available sources.
it pretty useless arguing with internet numbers. it’s also useless arguing when people claim “cartel price controls”. the US market alone has 9000+ independent oil and gas producers, even more if you factor in refineries, storage, and distribution actors. you can easily double that number for the EU. there are untold riches accumulated over 50 years of having that smaller not-really-free-but-functioning market effectively fight OPEC+, all while having higher costs and smaller volumes.
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you have it backwards, taxes are not the impossible part. the tax revenues are already high enough to do almost anything, but not to do everything. your ideal isn’t high enough priority for most people, and that’s frustrating, but skydiver is actually helping someone work on the problem. don’t be a dick to her efforts, and maybe you won’t read everyone else as being a dick to you.
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I didn’t say shit about her efforts moron.
And you are being a dick in exactly the same way. Every single person on Earth knows that my ideal of people getting some free water is a lower priority of your ideal of bombing people. You both explain things like you are smart, but you’re not. I know I don’t have the same priorities as everyone else. I know what I want is not going to happen.
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No one has said cartel price controls. The cartel controls their volume in order to target a price, by carefully looking at the marginal producer.
That doesn’t always work, because the cartel plus Russia is not a single decision maker and have their own incentives to game their agreement.
Edit. And regards the $90. This is the marginal cost. Which was already explained upthread. It does not include the pipeline.
And I don’t read everyone as being a dick to me, just a few of you, and I’m not going to just pretend someone is not being a dick just because they don’t make it obvious to everyone.
But…
Do you pay a separate water bill in LA? I don’t know, I don’t live there! That’s why I’m asking you! You implied that you don’t, but I am just trying to confirm that’s true.
Where did I ever say any of the things you are accusing me of in your post? Stop reading between lines that aren’t there, please, I’m begging you. There is no subtext. There is no hidden meaning. Why is that so difficult for you to believe about me? I made no claims that anything was impossible! I asked how you would do it because I actually want to know how you would do it!
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I don’t live in the city of LA, but they get one bill from LADWP that includes water and power.
My water bill comes from a different small city, but I believe it actually is provided by the West Basin Municipal Water District.
Thank you.
I know this thread just spent a hundred posts on fracking, but water policy and management in California (and the rest of the southwest) is one of the most fucked up, tangled up political problems that I can think of. Mainly because no one good runs for water boards and they just keep getting appointed by good ol’ boy chamber of commerce networks who know nothing about actual water policy. That plus the state relies on century±old treaties and bad science.
I agree that water is a basic human right, and anything that comes in from taxes or a water bill should be used to maintain and build infrastructure to keep it clean and flowing. Instead, these water authorites keep raising rates because they make bad financial decisions. I don’t know how to fix the problem…the entire system of boards and county authorities and rights treaties needs to be torn down and rebuild from scratch and I can’t think of anyone with the courage to do that. Would have to be an interstate compact of governors and legislatures and good luck getting anyone to agree.
Also, no one at the federal level seems to care about this, and it’s always a big gaping hole in policy discussions during national campaigns. Harris/Walz is no exception.
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I agree with that sentiment as well, but what I was suggesting was even stronger imo and less like charity. Imo a share of water is yours already. No one has the right to take more than their share. The people who are monopolizing water are taking it from you. Giving you back some is just what’s owed to you. It’s like if you agree that someone can harvest the fruit from one of your trees and do what they want with the fruit as long as they leave you a basket and send you a jar or two of jam or something.
Same thing applies to all natural resources, including land.
I can’t support a blatant disregard of democracy that the Democrat party pulled. If you vote for Kamala you’re risking not having any elections in the future.
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How undemocratic for the elected vice president to take over from the elected president, and then still have to have to win a (semi-) democratic election to assume power!
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I don’t have a strong opinion on this topic, outside of it being depressing as fuck seeing rivers dried up from human activity. Love living in the northeast.
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The craziest thing about US water policy is that people can own water on their land. This is nuts. Everywhere else water is owned by the people/government so heavily regulated. In Canada, you have no right to water on your land and require a permit to use it. That way the entire water system can be managed. In a bunch of states the insane rule actually allow a landowner unlimited access to groundwater no matter how it effects other downstream users.
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Skydiver,
This is just a variant of the “Let’s kill all the landlords. The building and maintenance of apartment buildings will take care of itself.”
Just disengage and let him chase him own tail.
IMO the weird thing is that there is so much publicly owned water in the us. I assume that someday we will freeze it all so it can be sold in lots.
This is where the rainbow text goes
Even by bad trolling standards this is such a weak attempt that you should be ashamed. You would be instantly banned from 4chan for this weaksauce.