Nice autocorrect error. Lol
No, I just fucking hate libertarians. Iâm not opposed to legalizing weed, but I am opposed to using libertarian arguments for legalizing weed.
People like Rogan generally think you should pretty much be allowed to do what you want so long as youâre not directly, actively physically hurting anyone. And I think government should have at least some ability to force people to do things they donât want or prevent them from doing things they want to do in the name of the greater good. I trust the people who do their own research about marijuana about as much as I trust the people who do their own research about covid.
Those people might be right about some things from a results-oriented perspective, but that doesnât make them right.
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Joe Rogan isnât a doctrinal libertarian though. Heâs just a dude that wants to smoke weed and wants to be âleft aloneâ in the general sense that most non political people have. Heâs heard those people are called libertarian so thatâs what he calls himself. Itâs not like heâs out there being against the New Deal or quoting Mises though.
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Dwayne âThe Rockâ Johnson pulled his support for disgraced comedian and podcast host Joe Rogan after clips surfaced of the âJoe Rogan Experienceâ host repeatedly using a racial slur.
The rope a dope got the Rock
https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1490394377876905989?t=voBawdP0D5IJnPCwDYDf9Q&s=19
https://twitter.com/KMcwhinnie/status/1490507820399312898?t=RMkndSNyVEfWAtu0cNd2mQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/FFChristopherRy/status/1490508519430397958?t=mqBtSuQNZ7aJ53JWNe_SPA&s=19
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From Ek
Spotify Team,
There are no words I can say to adequately convey how deeply sorry I am for the way The Joe Rogan Experience controversy continues to impact each of you. Not only are some of Joe Roganâs comments incredibly hurtful â I want to make clear that they do not represent the values of this company. I know this situation leaves many of you feeling drained, frustrated and unheard.
I think itâs important youâre aware that weâve had conversations with Joe and his team about some of the content in his show, including his history of using some racially insensitive language. Following these discussions and his own reflections, he chose to remove a number of episodes from Spotify. He also issued his own apology over the weekend.
While I strongly condemn what Joe has said and I agree with his decision to remove past episodes from our platform, I realize some will want more. And I want to make one point very clear â I do not believe that silencing Joe is the answer. We should have clear lines around content and take action when they are crossed, but canceling voices is a slippery slope. Looking at the issue more broadly, itâs critical thinking and open debate that powers real and necessary progress.
Another criticism that I continue to hear from many of you is that itâs not just about The Joe Rogan Experience on Spotify; it comes down to our direct relationship with him. In last weekâs Town Hall, I outlined to you that we are not the publisher of JRE . But perception due to our exclusive license implies otherwise. So Iâve been wrestling with how this perception squares with our values.
If we believe in having an open platform as a core value of the company, then we must also believe in elevating all types of creators, including those from underrepresented communities and a diversity of backgrounds. Weâve been doing a great deal of work in this area already but I think we can do even more. So I am committing to an incremental investment of $100 million for the licensing, development, and marketing of music (artists and songwriters) and audio content from historically marginalized groups. This will dramatically increase our efforts in these areas. While some might want us to pursue a different path, I believe that more speech on more issues can be highly effective in improving the status quo and enhancing the conversation altogether.
Thatâs the same mindset of people who donât want to be made to wear a mask or get vaccinated.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1490501361825468416
Since deleted. Oh think of the ratio that could have been.
This is like if the Nazis decided to breed million new Jews. All good guys?
Iâm not a PR expert but Iâm pretty sure youâre supposed to fire the racist n-word user and then try to smooth everything over with a truckload of money.
Not if you fancy yourself a tech company. Then you have to be disruptive. Spotify is going to change the way we think about racism! Theyâre like Uber but for the N-word!
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This is objectively bad. Heâs using like 2015 Zuckerberg arguments.
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Cliffs: We ran the numbers and JRE is still profitable. Hell weâll thrown in a couple of million as some cream off the top.
The resultant reasoning sounds the same, but it doesnât mean one flows from the other. I follow a few doctrinaire libertarians on twitter who are actually very pro vax and masks. Iâd say the real axis is if youâre pro or anti institutionalist, aka do you believe elite institutions when they say something. A lot of those doctrinaire libertarians work at elite institutions be it Cato or Heritage or whatever so theyâre pro institutionalists, they just think the proper scope of government politically is what I would consider terrible.
Roganâs always been hazily anti institutionalist, as are a lot of people in a hazy sense, but if their doctor tells them to wear a mask and get a shot they might do it. As opposed to someone whoâs strongly anti institutionalist who are the PLANDEMIC politically activated going out to marches types of people.
Now all this attention on Rogan might push him to be more actively anti -institutionalist and side with the anti vaxxers even more strongly, or he might go the route of acquiescing and not having anti vax people on his show. If he does go the former heâll say because he wants to the government to leave him alone, but if he goes latter heâs not going to say âhey I think the government shouldnât leave you aloneâ, heâll probably say itâs a good idea to get a shot or wonât say anything at all, both of which are wins.
I think this just boils down to âlibertarianâ types that are like, ok, I donât personally like paying taxes so that is bad and freedom is good, but they can see the obvious benefits to them personally of something like vaccine mandate, so theyâll do some rationalizing backflips to figure out a way to square the government good/bad circle so it exactly fits their personal preferences.
âDisgraced comedian and podcast hostâ lol love it.
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I think thatâs all true, but Iâd say itâs more about intensity. There are a lot of people who hazily hear about politics and pick up bits and pieces so they might say their libertarian because they donât want to pay taxes or think doing drugs is cool, and not because they have positively ascribed to the set of principles and agree with Hans-Hermann Hoppe or Ayn Rand and they do do a lot of backward rationalizing because the political variance of being politically libertarian isnât that high for them.
In order words, theyâre not libertarians like us political weirdos consider libertarians to be, they just call themselves that. It was the same thing that libertarians thought during the Tea Party . People called themselves libertarians because they glommed on that being libertarian was what you were when you were against Obama, but then it turns out they werenât principled adherents to libertarianism, they were just crazy.
So you plot people according to how politically active they are and you treat them differently based on that. Joe Roganâs somewhere in the middle right? Heâs not a right wing ideologue, but heâs not completely apolitical either. So you just take what they say as kind of true but malleable and not be deterministic about it. Just because someone says theyâre libertarian doesnât mean axiomatically theyâre dead set against mandates or vaccines, it may mean theyâre heard that being a libertarian is cool and havenât thought about mandates and vaccines and maybe theyâre open to it.
I say that, as opposed to, an Alex Jones libertarian type who its relatively impossible to persuade in any sense. Maybe Rogan goes down the right wing silo path. Maybe he does. If he does Iâm not necessarily going to blame the people who put pressure on him. Maybe there was a way to persuade him, maybe there wasnât.
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I would say he is basically a right wing ideologue but he thinks that he is apolitical. Heâs just not very smart and he has no self awareness because he lives in a culture that is soaked in toxic masculinity and white supremacy so he has been rewarded at every turn for being a spokesperson for dumb white men. He is not obviously âright wingâ because he doesnât align to a lot of the American right wing tropes like religion and the war on drugs, but an awful lot of his views have a bunch of fundamental conservative ideas at the bottom (the world is simple, not complex; the eggheads donât know better than what common sense tells ya; Strong Men are good, women are less valuable). Like you say, he doesnât neatly fit on the political spectrum but he veers alt-right on a bunch of stuff.
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They are delusional. Of course they are the exclusive publisher of JRE.