Saw this somewhat randomly today. Worth a watch. Joe Rogan will be an afterthought in 5 years, while kids will still be learning to play Heart of Gold.
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I have listened to Peterson off and on through the years. I am pretty sure I remember him saying he never even qualified for tenure at Harvard because he did not publish the requisite original research. Instead he says he spent this time writing a book, Maps of Meaning. I havenāt read the book so I canāt comment on its quality.
I listened to about half of the 4 hour Rogan podcast. Whatever you think of Peterson, he is very intelligent and charismatic. If he isnāt your cup of tea that is fine. But you cant cultivate the following he has in the way he has without being intelligent and charismatic. It just is what it is.
In the Rogan podcast he actually gave a real great (IMO) 10 minute riff on his thoughts of why music is such an important artfform to humans. I am definitely not doing it justice at all and may not even be conveying this thoughts correctly, but the basic gist is that humans find meaning through patterns and rituals, which is basically what music is.
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Lol he is a fucking moron, a hypocrite and a disgrace to humanity.
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Youāre also not charismatic if the only people youāve ever inspired are incels.
If his misgendering incident occurred 10 years earlier no one ever knows who he is. He rode the conservative outrage machine at the perfect time in history to fame, then his grifting abilities were dead within a year.
Yeah gonna say that misplaced white male aggression as a power source lowers the requisite charisma and intellect that a cult leader needs.
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Really? I was under the impression heās making millions from Patreon and books.
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Peterson reminds me of a few over-educated engineers Iāve worked with who couldnāt program their way out of a paper bag.
But they sure can wow the higher ups with a bunch of fancy-sounding argle bargle. So they become PowerPoint architects - the scourge of my profession.
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Isnāt JPās thing to constantly raise points that to anyone listening seem to lead to bigoted or otherwise gross conclusions and then scream āthatās not what Iām saying!ā?
ā¦and couch it in a wall of incoherent drivel about a bunch of irrelevant and esoteric nonsense thatās hard to follow let alone refute.
It isnāt relevant how smart JP is. You have to be a reasonably intelligent person to get a tenured position at a major university, but there are millions and millions of equally intelligent people out there. He simply leveraged his schtick into a successful persona, which involves leveraging his faux-academic garble to hypnotize people. Iāve had two separate people recommend him to me as a progressive voice I would be interested in.
If weāre just appealing to prominence in academia, then Chomsky crushes JP all day long, to the point that itās insulting to Chomsky to make the comparison. Thatās not what this is about.
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Petersonās two most-cited works are in JPSP. In case you arenāt familiar, thatās one of the leading journals in psychology that came under fire in 2011 when it published a paper by Bem claiming significant evidence in support of ESP being real (not satire). It was national news at the time:
In an interview, Dr. Bem, the author of the original paper and one of the most prominent research psychologists of his generation, said he intended each experiment to mimic a well-known classic study, āonly time-reversed.ā
Must be a smart guy. Here are some more smart people:
The editor of the journal, Charles Judd, a psychologist at the University of Colorado, said the paper went through the journalās regular review process. āFour reviewers made comments on the manuscript,ā he said, āand these are very trusted people.ā
All four decided that the paper met the journalās editorial standards, Dr. Judd added, even though āthere was no mechanism by which we could understand the results.ā
Here is the paper, which seems super appropes for a Rogan thread:
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More on JPSP ripped right off the Wikipedia page for Replication Crisis:
In August 2015, the first open empirical study of reproducibility in psychology was published, called the Reproducibility Project. Coordinated by psychologist Brian Nosek, researchers estimated the reproducibility of 100 studies in psychological science from three high-ranking psychology journals (Journal of Personality and Social Psychology [JPSP], Journal of Experimental Psychology: Learning, Memory, and Cognition [JEP:LMC], Psychological Science [PSCI]).
Study replication rates were 23% for JPSP, 48% for JEP:LMC, and 38% for PSCI. Studies in the field of cognitive psychology had a higher replication rate (50%) than studies in the field of social psychology (25%).
I have no idea if Petersonās work is good and donāt really have any intention of finding out due to the amount of deep diving required. Obviously Iām skeptical given that (1) heās crazy, (2) works in an area with extremely low replication rates, and (3) publishes in the same journals that couldnāt figure out why an ESP paper was fake.
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Iāll also point out that our man rejected conventional treatment for his drug addiction and flew to [checks notes] Russia where he was immediately placed in a drug-induced coma under the care of ādoctors.ā He was in the ICU for a month there but eventually bolted for Serbia, a country famous for its cutting-edge medical treatment. Real smart motherfucker yāall got there.
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vivisection complete
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We're working on a new game called Deepak Chopra or Jordan Peterson, where I will be presented with a word salad and I'll try to identify which of the two said it
ā David Pakman (@dpakman) January 27, 2022
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I found the clip of JP talking about music. Hilarious to think that at least one person ITT finds this to be both compelling and indicative of high intelligence and charisma.
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Patterns bro, patterns.
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Iām going to compose a musical piece based on the Fibonacci sequence that will unite the world way better than Bill and Tedās song ever did.
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Try finding the Brown Note. Tens of Millions would thank you.