I’m too stupid to get this too. Seems to me that his point is that Palestinians are smart and good and know what is in their best interests and we should presume that their support of Hamas means that Hamas is behaving justifiably (eta: ‘selflessly’ is better here). That’s a fascist point of men and state? Is it just that those in power are ever noble and act in the best interests of the people? (that does sound fascist)
Gaza didnt have an election since 2006.
Victor, who is a fascist moron, assumed people and state are the same. Thats his leading argument. Hamas can’t be acting not with the civilians best interest in mind, because the state and the person are one. He is a fascist.
Also his argument is even stupider considering they could well be right, even by his fascist standards, in keeping Bibi in power if the alternative is just as worse or worse.
@Vict0ar is too ignorant to even question what is the israei alternative to Bibi and how a change will benefit the palestinian (it may very well not).
The lack of ability to hold a complex thought is a cornerstone of fascists.
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Well, I guess I was inferring that he meant that Hamas has popular support, at least in Gaza. I don’t know that to be true, but it has at least been true in the past I think.
But, people are dumb when it comes to things like this. As you’ve pointed out, conflict drives Israelis to vote for Bibi.
I understood what he meant. The implication that Hamas can’t have an interest in keeping Bibi because the Gazans support them (what?) is either just stupid (probably) or stupid and fascist (still likely).
Very similar situation is how Trump was good for the hardliners in Iran.
I’m not an expert on Iran, but when it comed to Hamas there are also implications vs Abbas. Unlike what @Vict0ar thinks, not all Palestinians are the same and not everyone serve the greater good. In his defense, it’s probably hard for him to tell brown people apart.
It seems hard to overstate how bad the assassination of Rabin was for Israel. Saw your post upthread about Ben Gvir. Just browsing I see the wife of the assassin has a political party in Israel.
Yeah but that’s just because anyone can start a party. She’s not an actual thing.
Ben Gvir and his party are literal Nazis and i think he will run havoc with his immunity as part of the Knesset. This is David Duke level
My cousin, who lives in Israel and is a well regarded professor of political communications/political science, shared something nice today. Most of his posts are usually more about the politics since that is his expertise, but it’s nice to hear a human side of the story too.
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It is a sad time in Israel because of the tension and violence between the extremist Arab and Jewish citizens. However, there is another part of the story which, not surprisingly, is not being told. There were at least two incidents where Arabs saved the lives of Jews who were being attacked. I’m sure there are also examples of Jews saving Arabs. Also, there are dozens of Arab/Jewish groups who are took to the streets saying “we are not enemies”. There were also many times in the past when Jews accidently found themselves in the Palestinian territories and the Palestinian police protected them and arranged for them to get home. So, while it is a terrible time for Arab-Jewish relations, it is important to know that, as is often the case, the vast majority of people on both
sides are decent people who believe in coexistence.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/1393531501753606147
https://mobile.twitter.com/faresakram/status/1393531209611943945
https://mobile.twitter.com/sommervilletv/status/1393543981393395715
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One-hour heads-up before we bomb an apartment building is absolutely insane.
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That’s how much respect they have for the press, for regulars there is no warning.
That’s not true.
Can anyone explain to me the political, social or war strategy behind bombing the media building? Literally just to make reporting on their actions more difficult? Nothing more complex or interesting than obfuscating potential crimes?
IDF sure seems like a terrorist organization to me.
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Was really surprised that he would tackle this topic.
They do give warnings. It doesn’t make it acceptable. The first building they took down had 70 appartments, had they not given warnings there would have been 100s deaths. the worst thing for me is the complete lack of discussion about it in the israeli media.
I talked to my mother, who would be the equivalent of an elizabeth warren type here, and her immediate response was “i dont want to hear about it”.
I get it, she’s late 70’s that has to run to a bomb shelter 10 times a day, but it’s depressing.
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When I was 19 Israel killed Salah Shehade in Gaza. He was an actual terrorist in any perspective I can think of. He was the number 1 most wanted man in Gaza.
A couple of my friends were new recruits in the IDF intelligence unit responsible for tracking wanted Palestinians at the time. Their commander was the one in charge of the operation. He refused to sign off on it, because he said the house Shehade was too close to other houses and they will all collapse if targeted by air. The operation was obviously approved by higher ranked intelligence officers instead.
The neighboring houses obviously collapsed. 15 people died, including 7 kids. That commander was removed from his position.
At the time, it was a big deal. A few dozens IDF air force pilots signed a petition they will not act on any 'targeted killings. The most wanted bad man was taken down and people in Israel still cared about the consequences. Sure, most people might not care, but it was still a debate. Politicians had to respond, people asked questions.
Today we’re taking down buildings and no one even asks what’s the fucking reason.
Depressing.
One of the phrases used by the left (when there was such a thing) in Israel can be translated to ‘the occupation corrupts’. It really fucking does.
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… when would there ever have been a left in Israel? Leftist zionist Israeli feels like a contradiction in terms.
Well if they do nothing nobody cares what happens there. If it is quiet nobody has any reason/urge/courage to do anything. The outrage everywhere only starts when they are fighting each other. Recently Israel wanted to evict palestinian families from East Jerusalem in favour of Israelis.
The question at this point is who can even broker a deal? A lot of countries are somehow linked to the history in the region or are backed too much into one corner which precludes them from brokering a deal which would be considered fair by both sides.