Jeffrey Epstein and Associates

Enlighten me on the differences between calling everyone conspiratorial pizzagate types and telling them to stop talking. It’s just the same basic-ass fundamental attribution error shit that you never seem able to shake, where you’re this like didactic raconteur whose deft use of hyperbole actually illuminates, rather than obfuscating, and everyone else is a dimwitted loser whose outrageous strawmanning is despicably dishonest blah blah.

To answer your actual question, not that you’ll listen or absorb it, I have serious reservations about Epstein’s purported connections to the Intelligence community. In particular, I’m alarmed at his having received protection from members of that community who may not themselves have been involved in any trafficking or whatever. “Abuser gets protection from individuals within an institution who are not themselves involved in the abuse” is a song I’ve heard a few times now (the Catholic church’s cover version remains the best) and I believe I’m perfectly entitled to harbour suspicions in that regard.

I’ll hear any innocent, if that’s the word, explanations of the various features of this case that are unusual. What I won’t hear is the suggestion that this case isn’t actually unusual, that there are no questions to be asked etc.

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Did Simp just compare tax evasion to sex slaves?

TBH I sympathise, but apathy about tax scofflawry isn’t a justification for apathy about sex abuse.

If I were the warden of the jail holding the world’s most high profile inmate in custody, who stands to implicate dozens celebrities and politicians, including a prince in the line of succession of the British monarchy, a former president, the current president, and who already allegedly tried to kill himself once, I’d have guards right outside his cell 24/7 monitoring every god damn twitch he made. Anything less is too far beyond incompetence to be believable.

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Really excited for the next act in this saga whereupon Clovis will lecture us about how mysterious fires in evidence rooms actually happen all the time.

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There is zero evidence it’s not suicide. Not a little evidence. Zero evidence. None.

My favourite part from “The Big Short” is when the Vennet tells his guys to, sight unseen, take the opposite side of every trade the Fargo trader makes because he is so confident in Wells Fargo’s stupidity that he knows he can’t loose.

You are on the same side as /the_donald.

I’ll choose the other side, every time.

P.S you still don’t seem to see the different between corruption and conspiracy theory.

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It’s called suicide watch, not suicide stop.

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I haven’t said it wasn’t suicide, Jesus Christ dude you must be doing this on purpose, there’s no fucking way.

You are on the same side as /the_donald.

Shit like this is why no-one respects you, just fyi.

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I assume that the majority of posters ITT don’t argue the point that it was suicide, but that it shouldn’t have happened given he was supposedly under 24/7 surveillance.

Okay, but what if you were a typical American prison warden?

Fair enough, I overstated. The theory is it was assisted suicide I guess by some high powered shadowy figure?

Take a look at the Donald thread. It’s identical to what some are posting here.

What do you call it when a group of corrupt individuals make an agreement to corruptly do corrupt stuff together, and then work together to hide the corrupt stuff they did?

For the record, I’'m not on Team No Suicide, but definitely on Team I Have Some Questions

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I don’t really know the habits and preferences of a typical American prison warden, but preventing prisoner suicides is presumably at least implicitly part of the job description and I kind of struggle to see how allowing the most high-profile prisoner on Earth right now to off himself isn’t going to be a black eye career-wise. Not that I’d know, it just seems likely to me.

I’m done in this thread. Carry on.

I’ll check back in a bit to read about camera angles, how the guard was the 5th cousin of the guy who cut Epstein”s hair and the statistical likelihood of basket weave cotton holding up a 170 lb man.

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https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1160175862198820864

If they wanted him alive, he would still be breathing. If you guys are calling intentional negligence a conspiracy theory, I’ll go ahead and make my tinfoil top hat now.

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I wonder how much traffic clovis has given /t_d over the years by constantly checking on it for use as an impotent rhetorical cudgel.

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I mean, the cops in America are explicitly supposed to protect and serve as part of their job description but they still wind up strangling people to death on camera and getting slapped on the wrist. Maybe the warden will get chewed out, maybe he’ll get a pay cut. afaict this is just a bog-standard case of criminal police neglect.

Fair point.

You would think that after the whole Zina Bash thing, you might be a little less confident in you infallibility.

I’m not saying you’re right or wrong, but to be so confident that something did or did not happen at this point is silly.

Former lurker on 2+2 (for years) and here. Signed up just for this. I am a psychologist who used to manage suicide monitoring in max security corrections. When I put someone on watch, I went home with 100% confidence that they would be alive the next day. Paper sheets, paper clothes, room/body searches, and either 24/7 supervision or in-person checks every 4 minutes - shorter than the time needed for an oxygen deprivation death. I am not typically one to jump to dot-connecting, but this absolutely could not have happened in my facility (in any case, but especially one so important) without extremely atypical circumstances.

Just my 2c

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