Nearly every conspiracy theory ever has proven to be utter garbage yet it’s somehow a logical failing to assume this one is too until actual evidence is presented to support it?
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you folks don’t really seem to have some limited supply of outrage, so I don’t really see the need for conservation tbh
The reason most “conspiracy theories” are garbage is because the term gets applied to stuff once it has generally been disproven. It’s practically a tautology for, “speculation with little or no evidentiary basis.” Noone uses the term conspiracy theory to talk about actual, proven conspiracies.
Ex: We don’t say the Mafia is a “conspiracy theory” because they actually exist.
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We don’t call Watergate a “conspiracy theory” because high level government officials really did join together to break into the DNC and then cover up their shenanigans.
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We don’t call Iran-Contra a “conspiracy theory” because we know that arms for hostages deal really occurred.
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And I’ll just add that I personally have two reasons for being so fired up about this case.
The first is the obvious prurient interest in a case involving money, power, sex and, yes conspiracy theories. Speculation is fun. Going down wild rabbit holes is interesting. I’d like to downplay the importance of this factor, but, if I’m being totally honest, there’s a big reason why this case sent me to a deep dive on suicide watch procedures that, say, the Sandra Bland case did not.
But, that being said, there is that large, and ultimately more important reason to ask questions here. Even if Epstein killed himself with no outside encouragement or assistance, the systemic failures that allowed it to happen could have lots of implications for prisoner welfare. Are there ways of making suicide watch more effective or less draconian? Were the prisons understaffed and officers overworked? Do officers frequently lie about performing the appropriate safety checks and cell monitoring?
Even if you don’t believe in a conspiracy around his death, the larger facts of Epsteins case should cause any reasonable person to have some questions about the justice system. Now, maybe those large issues will get swamped by the salacious details of this one case, but I hope not…
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We already covered this long ago. Conspiracy and conspiracy theory are not the same thing.
What makes your claims about a conspiracy an actual conspiracy theory is you have no evidence for it at all.
“So what if this alleged billionaire pedophile with clients that include some of the most powerful people in the world was assisted in committing suicide in prison to avoid prosecution and testimony” is a SCORCHING take. Like, hotter than any of the conspiracy theories that have been floated within this thread so far.
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You do realise that the Daily Mail is not to be trusted?
I realize they are a gossip rag. I also realize English papers are very concerned with liable and the facts seem solid.
Right. Which is why you saying all “conspiracy theories are garbage” is meaningless. The term only gets applied to the stuff that has largely been disproven. To the extent that your statement is true, it does nothing to shed light on whether a conspiracy actually existed in this particular case.
The Daily Mail ain’t concerned with Liable… Its a discussing rag brother.
I don’t care when a blind squirrel finds a nut, but I do not read the Daily mail when they find the same nut.
A man of your principles should not be willing to compromise them over The Daily Mail is what I’m saying.
I’m still holding judgement atm because of incomplete information I.E. The video evidence from the night, the going after his cohorts & the ME report being make public… Failing this I believe its a cover up.
Fair?
This is why conspiracy theories are such effective propaganda. They both con people into believing wildly unlikely stuff (that can get them to support stuff that is in no way good for them) AND they serve as a useful smoke screen when there’s an actual conspiracy afoot. Very useful for totalitarian regimes in particular who often are engaged in a lot of misinformation.
jmakin confabulating knowledge of an unreleased report has TOPPLED Clovis’ “Conspiracy theories are how Putin installed Trump” for POTT.
This is an amazing chef’s kiss for you considering how you posted during the Mueller probe (even if you are just str8 trolling). #NeverForget
I had some pretty bad posts ITT. I’m definitely competitive lol.
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They very much care about libel. When it’s not a concern, which is most of the time for the stories they print, you are correct they have zero regard for the truth. But on this I am sure lawyers are front and center advising what should and shouldn’t be printed.
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Are we talking about libel or something else?
li·bel /ˈlībəl/
noun
- LAW
a published false statement that is damaging to a person’s reputation; a written defamation.
Note that the story says her media person/lawyer took the photo. Additionally, “Saffian and fellow barrister, Alun Jones QC represented Kevin Maxwell for the firm Peters & Peters in the British courts, according to the Independent.”
They doubled checked the facts with legal on this one.
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