No, $600 would be the top rate for a senior associate in a NY firm that does criminal. Some partners would be higher, but they would not be attractive and/or women. And even a first year associate who had never seen a prison, much less had a 1:1 meeting with an important client would be 26-30 y/o. I don’t know the rules about meeting non attorneys, other than I believe everything would be recorded, like they do with phone calls.
Most of all, I very much doubt he met solo with any attractive women, lawyer or otherwise. That said, sometime associates are attractive. Most firms grab a couple of hot associates from lesser schools, because people like hiring hot people in every profession.
And this is why my moot court advisor in law school spent as much time advising me about the length of my skirt, the height of my heels, and the shade of my lipstick as she did about the structure of my argument… sigh
Women get screwed either way in the workplace. You get penalized for not being attractive enough but also if you’re attractive then surely you must be successful because you’re slutting around.
LOL, then he cites the granddaddy of all conspiracy theories.
The reason Trump is President is because Hillary was too lazy to campaign in Wisconsin and barely any of the other Midwestern states. She was too busy schmoozing high-end campaign donors in the Hamptons and San Francisco instead of doing the hard work of shaking hands and getting out the vote in the Midwest. Now she’s busy walking her dog.
There’s scant evidence that the Russians online campaign actually amounted to the difference, as the impact on the vote is difficult to quantify. But that didn’t stop you from slapping that down as your trump card. Lol Canada.
So I’ll acknowledge that a lot of what I wrote in this thread (and have since deleted) can be read a certain way, and that way isn’t pretty. I guess I just find women willing to work to help Jeffrey Epstein escape justice, skirt prison rules, and get off of suicide watch to be irredeemable Aunt Lydia types who need to be shamed because if we don’t shame people for this what are we going to shame them for exactly? And once you’ve accepted that these people are awful people them doing more out of the box favors for Epstein is not much of a stretch.
I’ll also say that a big part of why I chose to delete all those posts is that I actually read the Forbes article and it’s super thin… which I think changed the entire situation and honestly makes me want to duck out of the whole conversation.
This is the thing I hated hearing from the first, ie, that the guards were tired and had to work all this overtime. Give me a break, the guards love overtime and they probably take all they can get; it’s the only way they can take their 40 or 50 k base pay up to a hundred grand. the idea that there were not enough guards to have adequate coverage in the SHU is complete b*******.
All the media, including MSNBC, went into state propaganda mode after this. Even people like Ari Melber saying that Epstein got his deal signed off by the Obama administration and you have this Tom Winter guy talking about Whitey Bulger committing suicide as well, when in fact Bulger was whacked. just all this gorilla dust, flying monkeys, misinformation and distortion, it’s what actually makes me lean towards conspiracy: the media’s response with the look of kidnapped victims asking for ransom payments on their face.
But all this “the guards were too overworked and tired to keep the most important guy in the federal penitentiary alive” is just total b*******.
I’ve actually changed my mind and decided we should give Mr. Epstein the benefit of the doubt on any visitors that may seem even slightly suspicious. Any such speculation is entirely untoward.
Ftr, my whole point in posting the Forbes article about the young, attractive attorney was to push back against the idea that Epstein would have been miserable on a daily basis. After reading about Epstein’s “confinement” down in Florida, who knows what kind of life he would have led in prison. And the article points to evidence that Epstein might have spent his time with people more attractive than bubba the laundry super.
“Madams” are much less likely to be taken seriously and I’d think would have much less weight in a “he said/she said” courtroom scenario
Just the fact he was so conveniently taken off suicide watch was enough to leave me skeptical, and I think you’d have to refute ChrisV’s excellent breakdown of the numbers and statistical likelihood
How long is the average suicide watch? It seems really labor intensive to check on an inmate every 4 minutes. Maybe it’s only for acute episodes and to the guards mind, who’s probably watching alien abduction shows and not the news, you’re either on watch or not. Plausible, not really. Possible, definitely.
So it was just another coincidence that Epstein suicided on the same night two guards fell asleep and one guard was not a regular guard? How did Epstein know they’d be asleep? my guess is that it takes a lot longer than five minutes to set up a situation where you can successfully hang yourself in an SHU cell. It would especially take a lot longer than 5 minutes for somebody who isn’t a seasoned convict.
And these two guards actually fell asleep in the SHU, the unit with higher priority monitoring than general population?
Who else was housed in the SHU unit along with Epstein? Were they also left unmonitored?
Seems to me that a faked moon landing is more plausible than Epstein committed suicide with no help.
I just would like to see the video shot outside of the cell which must exist. I’d like to see it for a good 24 hours before and 24 hours after. That shit has already been seized though. And we will never see it.
One thing I’m absolutely certain of is that ‘standard’ explanations for anything that happened around Epstein from 1970-the day he died are kind of silly. The guy was obviously in possession of an incredibly powerful reality distortion field.
He wasn’t a normal criminal and he wasn’t a normal prisoner. He wasn’t a normal anything. The last time he went through the criminal justice system made that very very clear.
There’s a lot of underestimation of him going on ITT. There’s a lot of hand wringing about what is and isn’t possible. None of us have any idea what was possible for a guy who masqueraded as a hedge fund manager for decades while really running a sex trafficking ring to the rich and powerful… and got paid for it. To say he had skills, contacts, and financial resources far outside the normal range is a huge understatement. He was an outlier in every sense of the word.
I’m not saying any of this to glorify him. He was an evil bastard who in both his life and death gave us an excellent case study in most of what is wrong about society in the boomer political era. But he was an outlier in a lot of categories including the quantity of evil shit he managed to do.
I am confident that he killed himself. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.
Prison guards aren’t incorruptible people. Pretty much anybody can become one. They get paid shit and are often woefully incompetent. Wouldn’t take much to bribe them or get them to smuggle in contraband to make ending his life possible.
Any other possibility requires accepting way too many assumptions to be made to be reasonable. Shit reminds me a lot about the conspiracies surrounding the JFK assassination.
