It’s either an allusion to rape or general crazy shit in prison.
It’s been a reoccurring theme but I don’t think people are getting the world of difference between a random gen pop con getting shivved in the yard of a state pen and losing the highest-profile sex crime suspect ever in the SHU of a federal pretrial facility.
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In your recap, you forgot to mention he was originally given a roomie who just happened to be a large guy/cop accused of killing multiple people and he mysteriously had no roommate at the time of his death. And you forgot to mention that authorities immediately jumped to the conclusion of suicide as news of his death was breaking. Usually, they would start with “found dead…investigating now etc.” I think its at least fair to say that if he was murdered, it was the result of a conspiracy. No lone attacker could foresee all of the conditions you listed being true. And there were certainly many motivations for murder. Then again, Epstein, by all accounts never cooperated with authorities about his friends, and he had a bunch of reasons to commit suicide as well.
Still on team no conspiracy. I find the most suspicious thing, if it’s accurate, two sleeping guards.
Guy was meeting with his lawyers regularly. He was apparently paying them for company. If the earlier incident was an attempted hit and not a suicide attempt, he probably would have mentioned that. We’ll see what they have to say.
As far as the autopsy, I think there were multiple examiners, and I don’t think you strangle Epstein without a serious fight an associated trauma. Let’s see the full reports. Make them public. Not going to go off a NY Post headline.
Also, in terms of motive, I’m not sure dead Epstein is a better result for his accomplices than live Epstein. For those cases without tapes/physical evidence, I don’t think live Epstein calling, eg, Dersh, a pedo is worse than the women or records. Besides, why would he cooperate? It’s not a death penalty case and he’d be doing life in prison either way.
Do a full investigation (is Mueller available :/), check the bank accounts and purchases of the guards, etc, but I see this headed into jet fuel can’t melt steel beams territory no matter what happens.
Uh, check my post like 5 posts up.
With Epstein dead there’s now no way to contest the search of his house, is what I’m hearing on legal Twitter. It’s still not clear who really benefits from him dying.
The media, obv. Sells papers, drives ratings. Rupert Murdoch and George Stephanopoulos put out a hit. Same way how they elected Trump.
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With the first suicide/murder attempt did they find bedsheets or anything that they think caused the strangulation marks?
https://twitter.com/scottjshapiro/status/1161974686600896513?s=19
(He’s actually a philosophy prof and Twitter wit)
The hyoid bone thing is pretty weak from what I’ve read. Suggestive of strangulation but far from conclusive
Clovis LoL
holy shit
it really ramps up at the end
Jesus, this was worse than I thought. Some highlights:
I spoke on the record with Zinoviev for an unpublished interview in 2015… To be honest, I didn’t expect that he’d try to back away from the assertions he made in our original interview — but he did. He also seemed, it is safe to say, quite nervous about saying anything at all.
In our conversation in 2015, you described his relationship with teenage girlfriends: “S o many time I tried to stop him. I try to tell tell him my opinion about that. He don’t listen to me. That’s the reason why I’m not working for him no more. I make him do that — to let me go.” Do you remember saying that?
It’s not the teenage girls. I never see the teenage girls. I tell you I never see teenage girls. Plenty of times when I work for him I never see anything unproper or teenage girls around him. That’s what I say.
Hold on. When did you find out he died?
Saturday or Sunday or whenever.
What did you think when you found that out?
What did I think?
Yeah.
Are you sure you want to hear what I am going to think?
Yeah.
Somebody helped him to do that.
You think somebody helped him kill himself?
Yeah.
Okay. Why?
Listen, you know, that’s going a little too deep.
And the craziest series:
I get that. But you and I have a history at this point. One thing you told me, for instance — okay, one thing you told me is he got a heads up when the authorities were going to come to his house the night before.
Listen, what you say is between you and me —
You told me he would get phone calls the night before and eight o’clock the police are going to come. He would get a heads up from local police.
[ Silence. ]
You told me that, Igor. Want me to read the quote?
Well, you can read whatever you want right now. Don’t just — you can put yourself in big trouble.
You said: “He always do something wrong. There was some nights in question. There was at home arrest and police, before they come to the house, they call him and tell him they coming in at eight o’clock in the morning. It’s all corruption you know. It’s all bullshit.”
Listen, don’t put yourself in trouble. Seriously.
We talked about this.
I understand we got this.
I’m telling you to give you a chance to remember because we talked about this stuff. I know it’s hard. I don’t know what you mean about “put myself in trouble.”
Let that go. Seriously. Let that go.
Why is it so important? Are you worried about the local cops?
Listen, you’re really smart and I’m not going to offer that over the phone right now, okay? You’re really smart. You have no idea. Please!
What do you mean by that?
I can’t explain you. I can’t explain you over the phone any of this.
You said that last time. And we didn’t talk for years. You can tell the world who this guy was. You were with him for a long time. You know what I mean?
[ Silence. ]
I totally understand that you think he could have had help committing suicide.
First of all, I have to go right now. I have another client.
Still training people?
Yes. But just be careful. I’m not kidding.
What’s your email so I can send you —
Don’t do any kind of that stuff. Just don’t play it. Seriously.
Can you tell me why?
I can’t. I can’t.
May I ask you one more question?
Go ahead.
Have you been talking to anyone in the government, the FBI? Have they come to you?
[ Long pause ] Um. Great talking to you. Seriously. We talk later.
Lol? You don’t think Epstein knows about EVERY super rich and powerful person who went to his island? The few girls who testify aren’t going to know about ALL of them, and not so many girls are going to want to testify after Epstein was murdered.
What I was talking about. It’s like there’s no ability to discern the difference in likelihood between a government conspiracy that would involve hundreds of people to place explosives all around a building in order to murder thousands of innocent people and cover it up with a huge plan to crash airplanes into them or holographs or something on the one hand and killing one guy in prison who definitely knows shitloads of incriminating stuff on some of the world’s richest and most powerful people on the other.
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Ep has no incentive to testify against anyone. He’s not getting any kind of deal.
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Challenging the evidence sized from his house would seem to be the better play and now they can’t do that.
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Possibly implicating yourself in a murder to beat a kiddie diddling charge seems like a dubious play.
Like, afaict, Epstein is the one who benefits the most from his death.
Both killing him and challenging evidence seems the correct play for a billionaire or head of state/ex-head of state who might be involved and if that’s the case, evidence will be disappearing too.
I think people are so incredibly against even allowing the possibility that anything could be a CONSPIRACY THEORY because they are afraid to lose their very serious person card and that same fear causes some other very serious problems.
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Those that consider a conspiracy here to be impossible should reread the excerpts I posted from the bodyguard interview. Dude is clearly shook.
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This.
I don’t think a conspiracy is impossible or even that unlikely, I do think it’s less likely than suicide + incompetence.