Adopt (adapt?) or die
i voted green in 2000 come at me
If youâre not a Perot voter GTFO.
If you donât vote Stein over Bernie DIAGFYFA.
Push come to shove itâs harder to pull the trigger than hit POST.
First time voting for a D was HRC in 2016 and donât regret it a bit. I wouldâve went Obama in 2012 because I think Stein is ridiculous but I had a bout of food poisoning.
Do you also drive the speed limit?
i donât own a car man youâd better leave this JV shit at the door
Lol at going for a Nader Auto Safety thing. Jfc what a 3rd-stringer.
The only car I owned was one of these back in the day:
I drove under the speed limit. I drove real, real slow.
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You keep saying the US system isnât about electoralism but I honestly donât know what that means. There are two ways politics change, either through elections or violence.
Is your point itâs not just directly voting but rather things like protest? If so, sure Iâm all for that as Iâve discussed extensively on this site. Protest is just a method to force the system to vote the way you want.
Iâm not being obtuse but, aside from violent overthrow, I donât know what you mean when you keep saying change doesnât come from electoralism. Can you expand?
Iâve been reading a lot lately about the stoic philosophers and they make this point in some way over and over. People focus too much in their own plight when we know the real answer to happiness is to focus on the plight of others.
So much of the discussion in this thread seems to be falling into two traps,
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one side keeps assuming the other side is way more opposed to their views then they actually are,
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we think we are arguing about one thing but are actually arguing about something else entirely. Usually itâs a scale mismatch.
Iâm guilty of both.
My focus on voting for Biden is single-minded of purpose. Itâs for one reason only. To remove Trump from from office which I see as the single most important short term goal of the left as I view him as the biggest single threat to the world.
That being said, I totally agree with the larger long term goals of many itt. The system itself is severely broken at its core. The DNC and the two party system is a part of that. This is a much harder problem that will require sustained organizing of the left resulting in a decades long movement to shift the US political system. Luckily, we have demographics on our side but the fruits will take a long time to harvest.
I appreciate some of you think this longer goal is more important than the short term one of removing trump. That is really all we are disagreeing on. I think trump getting four more years will set back the larger goal significantly. Some of you think it might help it by hastening the downfall of the system.
I think anachronistic is that SE donk thatâs been banned a billion times, canât remember the name. Weak trolling game is the same
Wtf?
Care to expand?
Maybe youâre doing some weird reductionist thing, but there is a long hx of nonviolent social movements producing political change
Of course there are but they are all geared to either forcing the hand of the elected or changing who is elected. Suffrage, the civil rights movement, LGBTQ+ equality, the establishment of the social safety net in the first half of the 20th century. All of these were political movements aimed squarely inside the electoral system. They all happened when people either voted in new governments or forced the existing ones to vote their way through political pressure.
That is why Iâm confused about PCs comment that itâs not about electoralism.
I suspect we are just having a terminology misunderstanding in the end.
Iâll pose the same to you that I have posed to countless others who wont or cant give me an answer.
Provide me a real, basic, actionable roadmap on how I can convince a person who may lose their home or their ability to eat for not going into work to perform a strike and I will be on the frontlines with you doing my best to tell the workers of the Walmarts in my area why they need to strike. I havent seen a desirable answer to this question yet.
Then provide the same answer for someone who thinks their 65K a year job is providing a level of comfort they are happy to be in until they die.
The only way a general strike works is if it is GENERAL, and in a country as large as ours, where the economy is going to survive and recover after a global pandemic eradicates 25% of the workforce, the number of people who would have to be convinced to participate in a general strike is MUCH larger than I have ever been told in the past.
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Sorry for the totally ransom aside, but this just reminded me of a day many years ago when I was asked to babysit Mojo Nixonâs kids while he performed at a festival. That mostly just meant sitting out on the lawn and watching him sing. Highlights included him, while on stage, pointing out the awkwardness of performing âSheâs Vibrator-Dependentâ in front of the child he shared with the subject of the song. And also, when we were still backstage getting ready, and his kid started fussing about something, he pointed over at fellow performer Coolio and said, âHey, thatâs Mr. Coolio. You keep whining and youâre gonna turn him into Mr. Unhappio.â I donât know why I remember that, but it amused me at the time.
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