I saw something where the super rich have worse health outcomes because of a combination of too much health care and alwaysgetting what they want (shopping for doctors or just demanding what they want).
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Frankly, I have no interest in arguing with the āfuck you, got mineā crowd, no matter how supposedly liberal or persuadable they are. None. If you look around at the state of this country in 2020 and decide ānah man, not interested in universal health care,ā youāre lost forever.
Upper middle class white collar people are like 10% of the country. Some minuscule percentage of those people might be persuadable, but that number is dwarfed, absolutely engulfed, by the tens of millions of working class people Democrats should be focused on. Fuck Bari Weiss, David Brooks and jman220. They are a lost cause, and numerically irrelevant.
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I mean, I also have misgivings about historically laden language like āenemy of the peopleā but heās not wrong. The time for the centrism some even here still fetishize has passed. Thereās nothing in the middle of the road but dead chickens and live vultures.
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I didnāt have health insurance when I was younger and also got no treatment for what Iām sure was a broken rib (snowboarding). But, I have insurance now and am quite reluctant to use it because of the deductible. For some things it would make sense to go to an urgent care.
We seem to have the worst possible health care system. Itās better (If you have some money) in places like Mexico or the Philippines where you might fly to get cheaper cash treatment (I will go to Mexico next time I see a dentist) and worse than all the universal health care countries.
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Iām sorry youāve had to go through this. Best of luck to you and your wife going forward 
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No one should say āenemy of the peopleā about literally anyone.
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Lol at throwing @j8i3h289dn3x7 in with those two. saving for election night 2020 when Trump wins again.
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Jman is voting blue, no matter who so that his union can cut a better deal w/ Ds than they could w/ Rs then he is going to undermine D efforts to help everyone else. That is all you can expect from his ilk, nothing more, nothing less.
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Yikes @ coming here where a non zero number of posters were rakeback poker pros just getting by for years and almost certainly not having health insurance and having that take. Bizarre. I was a car accident/slip/whatever from total financial disaster for at least 5 years.
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I donāt know if it will be 99% of the people who will be better off or some lower percentage. Just donāt pretend it will be 100% and repeat a you can keep your doctor situation.
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To add a personal anecdote. I am very fortunate enough to have a gold standard healthcare insurance plan at my job. I would most likely have some sort of worse healthcare if M4A became reality. My wife has a long-term illness that requires care from time to time and she would likely see some sort of decline in the care provided to her.
Despite all of that, I say 100% without reservation that M4A is my number one issue and it is vital to see enacted. I would GLADLY and without hesitation, take some sort of impairment on my familyās ability to receive any sort of healthcare if it meant stories like Wichitaās didnāt happen.
I frankly donāt see how anyone with a soul could possibly read that story and not be OK with sacrificing a little bit to make sure that doesnāt happen. Itās just basic human decency.
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Iām relatively well informed (compared to people in general, not this forum) and I didnāt realize that Sanders wanted to get rid of co-pays and all out-of-pocket expenses for healthcare. I took Sandersā Medicare-for-all rhetoric to mean, well, Medicare for all, which has a 20% copay.
I wonder if Sanders is serious about this or if itās anchoring and heād settle for his rhetoric, actual Medicare for All with its more traditional copay and room for co-insurance. Itād be easier to sell for a lot of reasons. And itās arguably better public policy to include a bit of out of pocket cost to those who can afford it. Are there any countries who donāt have some out of pocket costs with their universal health care systems?
Iād think in your case, it would make sense to get some sort of supplemental insurance (which will almost certainly exist) and you might wind up maybe paying close to what you paid before overall.
I would only want that to be available if it didnāt create some sort of tiered system of healthcare where those with the ability to pay for supplemental insurance receive superior care to those who are just on the basic public healthcare. Iām skeptical that it is possible to have such a thing without creating a problem, btw.
Any system that creates substantial problems and inequality in a basic human right is wrong.
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Is the inequality between poor seniors with Medicare and rich seniors with Medicare and supplemental insurance really a serious societal issue currently? Doesnāt really seem that way to me.
I donāt know, but I would think if you expanded that inequality to the entire country I would think it would be a bigger deal.
Except expanding actual Medicare (with a copay) for all would vastly decrease inequality! Not as much as making everyone have exactly the same insurance with zero copay, but thatās harder to sell and arguably worse public policy. Again, does any other country have universal health care with no out of pocket expenses?
I feel you.
My mother was dropped from her insurance in the 90ās for preexisting conditions.
A few years later she was diagnosed with late stage cancer after a trip to the ER that quite possibly would have been mitigated had it been caught earlier and had she been insured. I dropped out of law school to move back home and take care of her during her last months.
The greed of the insurance industry kills.
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Yeah Iād be fine with a system that still has levels of coverage as long as the lowest level is āpretty damn solid, comprehensive healthcare with no OOP costsā. Rich folks will still want to feel that theyāre getting better than everyone else, itās human nature, whatever. Let 'em have it.