I kinda assumed Jmans post was trolling in that he was pretending to be a scumbag centrist.
But people who know his posting better than me don’t seem to think so.
If thats the case than just wow. Basically lost the respect of the entire forum with that one.
Lawyers are unionized?
Welcome about TheBernie train, choo choo 
That’s it J forget about the slight difference’s, this shit just got real. 
Perfect 
Especially when you know @j8i3h289dn3x7 line of work it makes this statement even worse, not that Jman in particular has took advantage of peeps for raises or that or he is not genuine in his workplace. It’s just that his union had a far better chance than most in achieving this outcome and he wonders why. Oh lordy, I suppose I could be wrong again I suppose as I’m just an uneducated stoopkid.
Edit: OK could be way wrong here alos as I don’t exactly know if Jman is in a Union, tbh… Maybe he was concern trolling…
Not a slight at you personally Jman, but a definite gripe at the system, and that’s why I like Bernie.
For what’s its worth I also am happy with my healthcare system atm, hence the reason I see yours as possibly being able to affect our system and Infact has indeed done so, otherwise I’d probably not be here, yes most all my family are in the NHS or worked there their whole life, my mother included so it’s personal.
I’ll finish with that my country has some imo of the best care in the world, and that your perspective is short sighted, because you believe M4all can’t happen, I suppose I’m not able to change that atm, as I can’t be sure you guys are ready for it, so maybe your entirely right, after all you care for your family the most and wtf can I say to change that, except this…
At the founding of the National Health Service in the United Kingdom, three separate institutions were created in Scotland, England and Wales and Northern Ireland. The NHS in Scotland was accountable to the Secretary of State for Scotland rather than the Secretary of State for Health as in England and Wales. Prior to 1948, a publicly funded healthcare system, the Highlands and Islands Medical Service, had been established in Scotland in 1913, recognising the geographical and demographic challenges of delivering healthcare in that region.
Following Scottish devolution in 1999, health and social care policy and funding became devolved to the Scottish Parliament. It is currently administered through the Health and Social Care Directorates of the Scottish Government.
The current Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport is Jeane Freeman, and the head of staff is the director-general health and social care and chief executive of NHS Scotland, Paul Gray.[1]
National Pride My American friend… 
Its worth it, honestly. 
Would you consider your choice not getting picked and sitting out of the election because of it one of those tiny, tiny setbacks?
I’m less conspiratorial about it. It’s worse though. The more likely scenario is Pete is hiring people a lot of DemE people and then when the DNC needs to hire someone to run something Pete’s a campaign with the most DemE people on it so the odds are that someone from his campaign will get picked.
It’s an insular incentious world of not just election people but think tanks, donor networks and movers and shakers all just moving back and forth.
Some people believe that the political establishment, spanning both parties, is the underlying problem that got Trump elected.
Because I have a lower paying job in the public sector that is made up for with better benefits than someone with a higher paying job in the private sector?
Meh. Germany seems to handle multiple tiers of healthcare without much of a problem, and for the most part everyone seems fairly happy.
Of course, that presupposes an actual functioning federal government at present.
MM MD
That’s the wrong question. The correct question is why should somebody in the private sector doing the exact same type of work make more than me with the exact same health insurance? Why should a benefit that my union has collectively bargained-for and given up raises in lieu of be taken away when it would be simple to implement a system where anyone who wants Medicare can get it, and those with existing insurance can keep theirs?
Why should a unionized secretary in my office who makes 20k less a year than in a private law firm have to give up her health insurance benefits?
So the union can get her a bigger raise than she would if the union argued about premiums, deductible and all those other things no one knows anything about. Can’t imagine unions being so unimaginative as being unable to bargain for better raises when they don’t have to bargain to get their workers to the doctor without breaking the bank.
What benefits are you losing?
If your union is so stupid it can’t negotiate for more salary after healthcare is nationalized then you should probably elect new leadership.
This is the wrong question. His plan isn’t better than what Universal Single Payer (aka M4A) would provide. Good luck when you decide you want to move jobs too, or when your job is automated away.
Universal Single Payer Healthcare is a massive improvement for all but maybe the wealthiest individuals in the country. It provides better health outcomes, is more affordable, and results in greater economic freedom. But it requires universal participation, universal coverage, and market dominance to fully receive its benefits. That’s why the public option is a bait and switch meant to fool people like jman into allowing the entire country to get fucked for a false benefit of “choice”.
What specific features of your insurance do you like? Clearly there are some sick perks for you to give up tens of thousands of dollars a year for the plan.
You think GOPete is gonna fight hard enough to peel that onion?
You don’t like your insurance, you’ve been fooled into believing you do. You are the for profit healthcare system’s mark.
Right. That’s why I’m fine with voting for Bernie, because I know that eliminating everyone’s health insurance to replace it with Medicare is never getting through and just having a public option for everyone, which is what we should have done in the first place with Obamacare solves nearly every problem.[quote=“otatop, post:3161, topic:976”]
What specific features of your insurance do you like? Clearly there are some sick perks for you to give up thousands of dollars a year for the plan.
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Yeah, my copays are very low, I don’t have bullshit coinsurance, I don’t have huge “deductibles,” everything is covered, etc. I know that my insurance is better than Medicare because when people retire from my union, Medicare becomes primary and my insurance becomes secodnary and picks up the stuff that Medicare isn’t covering which, in conversations with people who have retired and have my plan, is significant. So, forcing everyone including the low-level employees in my bargaining unit onto Medicare would be shitty.
It’s a legitimately impressive feat of the for profit insurance industry to have the support of the “fuck you, got mine” crowd when those people would, without a doubt, be better off under single payer.
I just became convinced we aren’t getting medicare for all in my lifetime and millions will continue to suffer and go bankrupt
And just lol at thinking everyone can afford to buy in to the public option. Most won’t be able to pay thousand dollar co-pays and lol at thinking the insurance companies in this country won’t continue to absolutely fuck everyone.
There is a reason why only dishonest hacks like GOPete are even pretending the public option is a reasonable.