Agree. The people defending fly yesterday just baffle me. He is by far the worst troll I have ever engaged with in my now 25+ years being online. He is the only online person I’ve met where I am totally confident he is a terrible human irl too.
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This is def a problem and I just deal with it here by snap-ignoring people, but I’m also tired / frustrated of forums that are supposed to be more open to left-wing people and ideas still running into the same shit where smirking condescending liberals are allowed free reign to bash the left.
Maybe when you give a dipshit hypocrite like Aaron Rupar his own dedicated thread, that sends the message that the mods and owners approve of dishonest left-bashing and water-carrying for Democratic power:
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Clovis is one of the first people I put on perma-ignore. The ur-example on this forum of a smug liberal who condescends to and bashes anyone to his left and often goes out of his way to pick fights to do so. Yet I’ve never seen the mods say anything to him.
Talk about wanting lefties here is cheap. Do something about the people who try to drive us out.
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I mean I’m not a heavy participant here in large part because of people like Clovis. I’ve tried to carve out spaces on other forums that will welcome left-minded people and I’ve taken an unbelievable amount of shit for it over the years. I’m not doing it again. If the mods want left-wingers to feel welcome here, they’ll deal with this problem. If they don’t, they won’t.
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The reporter bots have their own thread because their tweets were being frequently posted in the Trump thread, not as some kind of endorsement of them.
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Everyone is so oppressed
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Do you differentiate between someone who is a troll and someone who is enthusiastically wrong?
clovis gets way more shit in this forum than you ever would
I have no intention of getting into a keed fight itt.
I wasn’t talking to you
I will say, if the community decides on more moderation I would absolutely expect it to apply to me.
Remember when Mat made him a mod? lol
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Some of the mods, at least one of them, is pretty anti-authoritarian and won’t be cracking down too hard on anything. But I will try to say something when I see it.
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This constant victimhood by a few on the further left is pretty odd. This is a political discussion forum. We are here to argue about politics. To hash out ideas. To test each other. In a few cases, maybe even (gasp) change some minds. Political discussions are heated. That’s part of what makes them fun. As long as they are free of personal insults it’s fine to be heated. We debate. We argue. We even fight once in a while. Then we shake hands and remain friends. Are the ideas on the further left so delicate they can’t stand up to this process? I don’t think so.
So many people seem to think the very act of disagreement is hostility. Sure I argue more with those on the further left. I genuinely disagree with them more (although less so lately). That’s how a forum works. Have I been guilty of going too far sometimes. Absolutely. But I won’t apologize for arguing with those I disagree with the most. That is how it is suppose to work.
This is why I only have three people on ignore on the forum, one of which isn’t far left. I want to read new ideas, to engage those posters, to argue and hash it out. That is not a bug. It’s a feature.
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Keed is possibly the most unfairly treated forum member. He seems to stand up to it pretty well though.
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Let me start by offering up myself as a test case for more moderation. I am openly asking the mods to intervene if you feel I am breaching the forum rules. I’m serious @moderators
Clovis has said or done nothing I believe would warrant moderation. I don’t even think he’s a bad person. Just a bad fit for me. That’s a personal preference. I believe that category of objection falls on each of us to manage with the mute/ignore functions.
There are at least a few people who have expressed similar feelings about me, and I wager one or two who feel that way but haven’t said anything. I assure you someone feels the same way about you.
We are a collection of strong personalities (and personality disorders). Some of us are going to rub each other so strongly it disrupts the forum experience we want whenever we interact. It would be a mistake imo to take that as a judgement on either person, even though the people involved may perceive it differently.
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I can tell, from reading several of clovis’ online internet posts, that he is 100% a bad person. Would snap bet my net worth on it.
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Ok this is pretty funny 
well played.
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