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I’m including his family as “himself”. Otherwise we’ll just have to agree to differ.
It’s pretty likely that the best plan for my personal finances is going to be Warren’s or Buttigieg’s, one that will let me buy into Medicare at cost, rather than one that provides it to everyone and taxes progressively based on income.
But, I believe in true Medicare for All. It’s best for the country, it’s morally the right thing to do, and in the long run it’ll be best for our economy. Plus I remember when I was in need of assistance financially and had the stress of dealing with healthcare pre-ACA, then dealing with premium hikes under the ACA, etc… So I’ll be voting for Bernie.
Still no vote on Rule #7, still no clear policy on violent rhetoric. It’s not about protesting, I think I’ve made that clear.
I really hope you reconsider this.
I understand your position and why you did what you did by demodding, but your posting is some of the best we have here.
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Yeah don’t go, you’re a solid poster.
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You already said we don’t need to vote on rule 7:
Make up your mind.
Stop trolling. You can’t be that dense. I said that in the context of we have our answer, hence, I’m not posting much anymore. I don’t think voting on Rule 7 would matter, I think it would fail, I think enough of this place supports violent rhetoric or doesn’t care that it would be doomed to fail.
you’re being manipulated by a narcissist, he wants everyone to beg him to stay. Fuck off or don’t. Jesus christ with this thread.
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If the Molotov cocktail joke gets barred then this place is just Rules Club. The first rule of Rules Club is that nobody likes Rules Club. Wishing death on people I can see banning, though I’d hope such a ban would be judiciously enforced, but mere callousness to strangers is several bridges too far.
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You just seem incapable of learning any lesson at all here. SMH.
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You keep getting your way on the issue whenever an edge case comes up, the edge cases are the only place where there is any real disagreement, and those have been pretty rare so far. In fact, there has been very minimal need for any moderation in the past 8 months. It doesn’t seem to me like you need this rule to address any actual issues and I can’t help wondering why you’re so insistent on it.
I had been content to mostly sit out the rules discussions, but I’m now opposed to #7 because I don’t trust the motivations any longer. They’re really starting to seem like bad faith arguments to further some ulterior agenda. The problem it seeks to address doesn’t actually exist and I can’t help thinking it’s just going to be used as a weapon to impose the will of a small minority on the rest of the community.
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To be fair to cuse, the rules discussion spawned because several people, me probably being one of the loudest, were against moderators making moderation decisions based on their own concepts of morality and what is proper. I (and others) wanted a community agreed upon set of rules that takes the moderator’s personal biases out of the equation. If the result is a set of rules cuse can’t accept, then I understand the resignation. What I dont understand is the drama around this decision.
Rule 7 doesn’t really even need to exist since the concerns about violence seem to be covered by rule 6:
No threats. This includes threats of violence, exposing personal information or harassment. Any post that expresses a direct, indirect, or veiled threat to anyone - whether it be another member, some other individual, or a group in general–or an incitement to violence–will be dealt with severely, may result in an immediate permanent banning
We don’t have a rule that defines what exposing personal information or harassment is so I don’t see why we need a specific one for violence except to carve out “acceptable” violent posts like hoping someone is killed by a hurricane.
Not really. I posted about banning NBZ months ago, it never happened, we never made a rule to address his behavior, and repeat escalating bans did nothing but cause drama and make the community’s support of that rhetoric clear, leading to my exit. Among people passionately expressing opinions, he has far more support than opposition for his rhetoric. NBZ won, not me.
Like, when a couple of us have said that this place is going to end up on watch lists if it isn’t already, that’s not some burn or some joke. It’s actually what’s going to happen, and it should. The community doesn’t have the will to address it, so some of us aren’t going to be around very much anymore.
At this point the argument has shifted to whether or not I’m going to reconsider, I’m not, my mind is made up on this. I assume the community’s is as well - there will be no Rule 7, there will be no addressing the issue, NBZ will continue (with carte blanche now so that’ll be fun for you guys), and while you can claim I won this, it’ll be clear in a few weeks/months that the rhetoric is getting worse not better. The line will continue to be pushed, more and more egregious stuff will be posted. As that happens, you’ll lose a few more regs - some won’t come around, some will just post less, etc, but they’ll reduce their visits one way or another. Each time there is any discussion about it, there will be a group of other outspoken regs doing the “LOL snowflake” routine, having arguments about semantics, etc. But, then the community will be slightly smaller and slightly more supporting of the rhetoric, and it’ll get a little worse.
Or, maybe I’m wrong and a line will be drawn at some point. But I doubt it. Hopefully the community addresses it before it’s too late.
I’m generally of the feeling that we’re all different people. We have different ideas of right and wrong and for the most part one should accept that and try to work things out or at least understand each other. But…
while this may be true
this is fucked up.
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This is silly. If this site ends up on a watch list then pretty much every site I’ve ever used must be on a watch list.
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jfk watch lists. Get a fucking grip, man.
Seriously, you’re completely off your rocker.
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I don’t think this is going to be on a watchlist. I do worry that this shit is going to get more and more puerile and edgelordy and good posters will stop coming around. I’d rather keep the standards somewhere where they were when Wookie/Tom were mods.
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“Watch list” is not too well defined, but the NSA data center in Utah doesn’t have exabytes of storage because it’s hard to get on one.
Has it really been that edgelordy around here? You’ve got one poster who has made like a dozen posts that are a problem and this thread in six months.
Calls for increased rules and moderation seem unwarranted to me.
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