The problem is your definition of what violent rhetoric is, is substantially different than what it is for many others.
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Rivaldo
December 8, 2019, 6:05am
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smrk4:
Leftists have been going back and forth between what is or isn’t antithetical to leftism since the first French derriere sat itself to the left of the king at the convention of the Estates General. Sometimes leftists agree to disagree, sometimes they literally start guillotining each other over the darndest things.
Mike Duncan is currently doing the Russian Revolution and I hate to be podcast guy eager to recapitulate details I learned last week, but the path from imperial monarchy to Leninism was at least ~90 years in the making, with thousands of intra and inter generational disagreements about how to effect change, from outreach and education of the peasants, to protest and agitation, to terrorism and assassination; it wasn’t like they only tried violence at the end as a last resort. Alexander II survived 5? assassination attempts before they blew him up on the 6th attempt. Gjge, that did all of assuring the next Czar was going to be a more reactionary douchenozzle.
Quick cite of the brothers Ulyanov. All the Ulyanov kids were apparently geniuses but the eldest Aleksandr was like the Cooper Manning/Joseph Kennedy of the family. But he became a passionate revolutionary and eventually tried to assassinate that next Czar, but he failed and they hanged him. Although his younger brother (allegedly) vowed to avenge him, the younger brother also came to think that trying to bring down the regime with bombs was a waste of time. That younger brother became the historical centrist pussy we know as Lenin.
And, punchline, while amazingly talented, Lenin, like basically every run-good Bro of History, benefited from events far beyond his control, like the Russians getting humiliated in WWI, and like the German High Command basically putting him on the train out of exile so he could go back to Russia to destabilize the country.
nytimes.com
For the Bolshevik leader, the ends justified his means. But if you asked any Russian in 1917, the answer was yes.
This post is an island of extreme talent in a sea of profound disability.
Rivaldo
December 8, 2019, 6:08am
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jk lol everyone’s contribution is worthwhile
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6ix
December 8, 2019, 6:16am
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JohnnyTruant:
The thwarting of the list has been seen as a sign that actual action would also be thwarted and therefore was thwarting that progression. It’s the second thwart I was referring to in my post.
I’m not sure if you believe as some have contended that not supporting the game is an indication of not supporting other progress or real action
Well first off I don’t believe that, but, I do believe… something . I can’t quite articulate it yet.
Actually, I think I’m gonna skim one of the NBZ threads I think I missed.
Rivaldo
December 8, 2019, 6:25am
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smrk4:
Gimmie that
A Golden Ticket to commune with the 27 Club.
In the context it was a man beating up a woman, but whatever, sure.
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smrk4
December 8, 2019, 6:27am
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the 27 + a low but recently double digit number club, if any cool cats kicked it at 38 lmk
Rivaldo
December 8, 2019, 6:37am
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Years ago, when the KC economy was booming, we called for travelers from other local unions nationwide to meet the manpower need. I hosted one cat from NYC at my house.
I lent him my car one night to go to Hooters or some shit. Fast-forward a few hours, I’m sound asleep, and his noisy entrance upon return went unnoticed for what it actually was by my drowsiness, and I charged the front door buck naked.
He later remarked, “Oh, you must be Irish, too. Small pe.”
I cut him off, “That’s enough singing, dirty work afoot.”
6ix
December 8, 2019, 6:37am
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smrk4:
6ix:
that one side thinks one shouldn’t even have internal A Time to Kill outbursts and that doing so is antithetical to leftism, while the other side is like, we agree about the edgelording but we’re not sure you understand how any of this works.
Imho obv.
Leftists have been going back and forth between what is or isn’t antithetical to leftism since the first French derriere sat itself to the left of the king at the convention of the Estates General. Sometimes leftists agree to disagree, sometimes they literally start guillotining each other over the darndest things.
Mike Duncan is currently doing the Russian Revolution and I hate to be podcast guy eager to recapitulate details I learned last week, but the path from imperial monarchy to Leninism was at least ~90 years in the making, with thousands of intra and inter generational disagreements about how to effect change, from outreach and education of the peasants, to protest and agitation, to terrorism and assassination; it wasn’t like they only tried violence at the end as a last resort. Alexander II survived 5? assassination attempts before they blew him up on the 6th attempt. Gjge, that did all of assuring the next Czar was going to be a more reactionary douchenozzle.
Quick cite of the brothers Ulyanov. All the Ulyanov kids were apparently geniuses but the eldest Aleksandr was like the Cooper Manning/Joseph Kennedy of the family. But he became a passionate revolutionary and eventually tried to assassinate that next Czar, but he failed and they hanged him. Although his younger brother (allegedly) vowed to avenge him, the younger brother also came to think that trying to bring down the regime with bombs was a waste of time. That younger brother became the historical centrist pussy we know as Lenin.
And, punchline, while amazingly talented, Lenin, like basically every run-good Bro of History, benefited from events far beyond his control, like the Russians getting humiliated in WWI, and like the German High Command basically putting him on the train out of exile so he could go back to Russia to destabilize the country.
Opinion | Was Lenin a German Agent? - The New York Times
At first I was kinda shocked and perplexed that you’d make such an insultingly flippant and dismissive post but then I remembered from another thread how strongly you felt about this topic and I was just disappointed.
smrk4
December 8, 2019, 6:42am
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I don’t follow my man, chesspal, guitarpal, what was insulting about it?
Good God, zz tipped over his king a month ago and the angry crowd has ironically reset the guillotines daily cutting off his imaginary head.
6ix
December 8, 2019, 7:04am
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anon38180840:
I have no problem with being outspoken against most of the 1%. In fact, I support it. I am outspoken about it. Just in non-violent ways. Tax them, jail them for breaking the law, write laws to prevent some of the immoral things they’re doing, then jail them when they break them.
Oh Dear Lord If a big part of all this comes down to semantics I’m gonna scream…
… “jail them” is what microbet meant by violence in regards to drugs being illegal and he should’ve explained that.
I’m not sure I follow the talk between you and smrk, but this is the primary meaning of what I said, but I don’t want to rule out all of the murder and kidnapping and police shootings and military actions that go along with drugs being illegal. This is a point I try to make often, but some people who consider themselves pragmatic realists (who doesn’t?) tend to think some policy is good, but it’s just the execution that they are against. That some super duper well meaning people with President Jeb Bartlett at the helm could run the DEA or ICE or whatever in just a super great way. And that’s just magical thinking. The possibly unintended consequences were never really unforseeable and to not foresee them at this point is ludicrous. But, yeah, locking people up is violence too.
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This is all coming down to fucking semantics. Draft should have been a draft of worst politicians. Who can argue with that. But it was guillotine draft.
Ugh it should have been fun, but semantics ruined it.
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and yes it shouldn’t have been a guillotine draft
it should have been a worst people in politics draft
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6ix
December 8, 2019, 7:48am
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My thing is that if this semantic point hasn’t been hammered out after four (?) threads and is a big catalyst of this kerfuffle, my mind is gonna be blown.
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How are we so fucking bad worst politician draft vs guillotine draft is causing this. God damn it.
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