Gee, how about everyone. But yeah, people in blue too. Pretty obvious that this should have been handled better.
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I agree with you and we don’t know what happened before the camera started, but the police have a much higher obligation. It’s their job. They work for the public. And more importantly, they have special powers, powers to use violence, that other people don’t have. They’re human sure, but if they can’t basically resist the urge to be a petty asshole under most any circumstance while they’re on duty, they should find another line of work.
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Don’t disagree with any of this stuff.
In a previous lifetime, I worked in the casino business and being a dealer was MUCH worse that being a pit boss/gaming manager, because you could walk away from the idiots. Dealers can’t. I’d be a lousy cop, because of the same isue.
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This is the system working to perfection. The government doesn’t want the cops to be too smart or apply any logic or reason, so you get a bunch of mopes saying, “Just doing our job, nothing we can do, she broke the law, gotta arrest her,” as they fuck up the livelihood of someone poor at the cost of taxpayers. Now NYC taxpayers have to pay for this woman to be processed through the system. God forbid that interaction go, “Excuse me miss, I’m sorry but it’s illegal to sell anything here without a permit. Do you have a permit? No? Well, listen, you can’t keep selling this stuff inside here. You’re going to have to relocate outside.”
Like there’s no fucking way she’s choosing jail over relocating outside, you don’t have to send her through the system, you don’t have to waste time out of your day arresting someone for selling goddamn churros, you don’t have to mess up her life. But that requires critical thinking and logic. Can’t train cops to use that! Then they might make some decisions on their own and we wouldn’t want that!
Meanwhile, she’s trying to sell something innocent and of her own making to lift herself up and chase her American dream. She’s literally fucking bootstrapping. She’s not doing anything criminal here… and to not get a cop who speaks Spanish in NYC in this situation or even ask a bystander to translate for them is just ridiculous.
Burn the whole fucking system down, the problem isn’t that it’s not working, it’s that it is working perfectly as designed - to hold down poor people and people of color.
And notice that when the woman yelling at the cops calling them assholes is white, nothing happens to her. Which is great and all, but you know if that was a person of color yelling “This is bullshit, you’re assholes,” and trying to slip around for the better angle, they’d have roughed them up real good while arresting them for some bullshit trumped up charge.
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And yet they seem to lead the league in being petty assholes.
Oh yeah, 100%.
I read a great book called “The Corner” by the same guy who wrote “Homicide” which was the book that led to “The Wire”. I’m pretty certain that if I’d been born black in a bad part of Baltimore I’d have ended up involved in the drug trade and either dead or in prison. Instead, I got to go to med school.
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Also agree 100%. I trained in Chicago and had a black classmate. His experiences growing up were a lot different than mine. He was more philosophical about it than I probably would have been.
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Every one of these assholes should be thrown in jail but of course nothing will happen. Tuf guys w/ guns pointing them around in an empty house like they are Rambo.
At least they didn’t shoot the dog.
“If I didn’t have the cameras, I never would have known they were in the house,” Emmanuel says.
The bacon smell should have tipped him off.
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you’re looking for “stop and identify” statutes. in some states police have the right to stop you and ask for your id if they have a “reasonable suspicion” it’s related to a crime. that also covers if you are witness to a crime in most cases, i believe.
to answer your question about whether you can go to jail for various offenses, it just depends on the statutes. for instance you asked about speeding tickets. in my jurisdiction, TECHNICALLY, the penalty for failing to drive the MINIMUM speed is 0-10 days imprisonment and a 5-500 dollar fine. obviously no one ever goes jail for driving like an old lady, but most offenses have it as a possibility.
also if you want to make everyone in the legal system HATE you, and want you to get the maximum punishment allowed claim sovereign citizenship. the judge will hate you, the da will hate you, and even the defense bar will hate you because thy will be assigned to help you through the process.
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Thanks. It’s a little confusing if you’re not a lawyer. I know some states do allow for Terry stops. I believe Terry v. Ohio states that if there is reasonable suspicion that someone has committed a crime, is about to commit a crime, or is in the process of committing a crime, they can DETAIN that person for investigative purposes and failure to provide ID in such states can lead to arrest. However, police must be able to articulate (if not to you, then to the court) why one of these 3 suspicions were met. Again, there needs to be reasonable suspicion. It can’t be just because someone is black or Hispanic, or “looks like” a criminal, etc. Otherwise, it’s an unlawful detainment and arrest (which happens all the time)
It’s also my understanding no state law can ever trump the constitution. The 4th amendment protects against unreasonable searches and seizures. You’re not required to carry ID for simply being out in public. So if this guy on the platform didn’t have an ID then he could’ve exercised his 5th amendment right and forced the cop to arrest him before providing any information (once arrested, you do have to cooperate by giving your identity)
The bottom line is, it’s a good idea to record ALL police encounters. I want to say it used to be illegal in some places to do so, but it’s been ruled that you cannot trespass the eyes. That is, anything you can see from a public space, you can also record
I agree that claiming to be a sovereign citizen is likely not a good idea. But what I’m talking about is our 4th and 5th amendment rights and exercising a constitutional right does NOT make someone a sovereign citizen
I refused a search once. The guy got super, super, super pissed off and in my face but I stood my ground. I simply asked him if he had any reason to search my car, and he said I “seemed nervous” and I said something like police make me nervous because they shoot people. Then I explained if he didnt have a reasonable cause to search my car then I refuse the search because I was running late to a function, and I have had my car searched and it’s super embarrassing and humiliating.
He finally relented and asked when I had to be at my function. I said 15 mins. So he went back to his car and waited for exactly 15 mins before he let me go.
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Well played! There’s also no need to explain where you’re going or coming from. I had a cop ask, “Where are you headed tonight?”. I told him I didn’t feel like discussing my itinerary. He then asked if I had any drugs in the car, and I asked him if he had any reason to think that I did. He said no, and I told him I don’t answer questions.
It’s amazing how quickly they slink in defeat upon realizing they’ve encountered a person who actually knows his or her rights and their power trip ends . Of course, I’m white. Black people literally risk their life asserting their constitutional rights
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I’m glad you had this experience but they do not always slink away.
In an act of unparalleled bravery a policeman risks his life to hold down a 15 year old kid who quite literally has no arms or legs:
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drug dogs are magic.
they cant be legally shown to be entirely worthless with a guaranteed success rate well below 1/3rd…
the supreme court says they are magic
Is that how the Supreme Court is spelling racist these days?
The sophistication of these canine units are truly amazing these days…
My buddy (who is black) was driving from LA to Alabama two days ago when he was stopped at a border checkpoint in Texas that was well over 200 miles north of the border. While stopped, they had dogs walk around his car. Obviously, these dogs are now capable of sniffing out a Mexican in your trunk. You’ve been warned
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This is fine
These fucking thugs are saying we don’t know the whole story, like we don’t know what we just saw!
Police said the task forces don’t follow local accountability rules such as wearing body cameras. The task forces have looser rules about when they can legally use deadly force. Local authorities can’t prosecute officers on task forces and citizens who say they have been victimized can’t sue.