What is this mob justice he is talking about?
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Making conservatives feel bad. Maybe universal background checks in the distant future
You mean the definition you want him to be using
The lending of support is not the reason itâs a proxy war and is not the beginning of US involvement
Then offer up a better definition that better delineates between helping a country avoid their own genocide and spurring a country to fight a war they do not want to fight at all.
To add, I think it is morally acceptable to supply arms to people under threat of genocide who want to fight back against that genocide. If you want to call doing that a proxy war, I donât care. If you want to call all proxy wars bad, even if that means you think arming a people defending against their own genocide is bad, you have some âsplaininâ to do. Even if you think the main motivation for the US government arming the Ukrainians is because they want to weaken Russia rather than preventing genocide, doing the right thing for the wrong reason is still right.
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no i dont.
When the USA and Russia are each spending resources over decades to subvert Ukranian democracy in order to try to make leaders of the Ukranian state either pro-Russia or pro-USA, given the rivalry between USA and Russia, why is âproxyâ a useless or improper term to describe the situation?
If Russia began spending resources to violently meddle in the Latin American states that USA has been, do you not think USA would view this as reason to design a âdefensiveâ invasion in Latin America? Or it doesnât even have to be so close to USA as the crow flies. We have examples in the Middle East.
Why is it then âwhataboutismâ to describe the state of the world and mention USAâs involvement, rather than a description of cause and effect? Why is it not worth noting that the USA-Russia rivalry causes tremendous death, destruction, and displacement in third party states? Why is this less useful than describing Russia as a singular evil led by a singular madman? Is there some illusion that this kind of thing isnât inevitable due to USA-Russia rivalry, and will change without a change in the general pattern of the dynamics between powerful states in this world?
i know it is killing russians to admit that in fact the greater âwestâ is living better than they are and the collective âwestâ military is greater than the reds. and it hurst so much more that their âlittle brothersâ, or the dumb âkhokholsâ, would rather live like the EU, rather than keep tightening the belts while the the tsar and his boyars are tightening the screws.
is it a rivalry, or simple jealosy? who knows, i am not freud. is it an imperialist national idea or simply propaganda in pursuit of permanent political power? again, i canât tell you what it was without at least knowing the decade we are talking about, and listening to some podcasts. but in reality it doesnât matter.
itâs obvious the proxy wars as extensions of the cold war were hugely detrimental to russiaâs past, present, and at least the near future. it literally set them back hundreds of years, as you canât unsee the parallel timelines of this war and the one in War and Peace!
can i say the same about usa, especially disconnecting the judgement from whether the west âwonâ the cold war? on the one hand, they spent trillions on useless wars, like the russians, which killed hundreds of thousands, like the russians, and propped up quite a few dictatorships, like the russians. on the other hand, between the proxy wars and atrocities, western policy did achieve some things, if only for themselves. and western societies did become more liberal, even as that minimal historic progress took much too long.
and yet, here we are discussing the two hegemonies as âmore alike than differentâ. which is just ignoring that the difference was enough for HALF of eastern europe, and even the brotherly nation of Ukraine, to decide âfuck that guy gorbachev/yeltsin/putin, iâll take my chances with some form of democracy.â and that doesnât even cover the other HALF of central asia and the caucuses who have been at war for independence from russia for 300 years, and whose leaders are CURRENTLY propped up by putinâs regime.
so, in conclusion, it is perfectly fine to engage in comparisons between USA and Russia, as historians will eventually do. itâs probably poor timing to do it as smerchâ rockets are raining down on what is left of mariupol, but hey, these are our everyday trolley problems now. but it is important to use this chance to reevaluate the motives, and make sure it helps a willing nation to self-determination, than an population unwilling to change regimes.
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LOLOLOL no racial hierarchy to Tuckerâs spew.
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My Dad is barely online.
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So weird that a âprogressiveâ would support Tucker Carlson and Russia. Wonder what connects those two topics?
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I still have no idea what joke youâre trying to make.
Oh I get it now. Could be interpreted either way but since you were replying to me I determined âyourâ to apply to me.
he was talking about keeed which he tagged in that post, but you probably canât see because you have them on ignore.
No I see it. But he was replying to me. So I was confused.
One annoyance in the forum software is that if you make a post replying to someone, as far as Iâm aware there is no way to change that in an edit.
God, he is such a tedious writer. I think heâs improved a little in the last 17 years but heâs still like this. Beating every point into the ground for an additional whole paragraph after we already get it.
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