Yeah I like his post for its honesty… and both of the posts attacking his post. There are a LOT of healthy foods that are also tasty. I have no idea what is going on with iron’s tongue but I wouldn’t trade with him for a million dollars.
I just had a bowl of previously frozen mango cubes for a snack. Yummy and healthy.
I’ll eat those frozen straight up haha.
I’ll eat the blueberries mostly frozen but the strawberries and mangos lose too much flavor when they’re frozen–and they hurt my cheeks.
Healthy food is incredibly tasty I just don’t have the money or energy usually. Takes a lot more effort to keep good food on hand vs shelf/freezer stable garbage. If you asked me whether I wanted a perfectly done salmon steak or a slice of salami out of the fridge there’s a clear winner. But I know which one I end up grabbing all day. And I’m a great cook.
Something @boredsocial mentions upthread is using behavioural science to your advantage. Based on the above comment, you should just never buy salami. You probably have the willpower to make that choice in the market, but not at the fridge if you know what I mean.
Since COVID started I’ve been buying three different 3 lb bags of frozen fruit every two weeks. At approx. $3 per lb, it’s no more expensive than fresh fruit, and it’s picked ripe, with only a minor degredation in taste after thawing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzeEtbVQCac
This is worth the 10 minutes of your time to get a basic understanding of all the factors working against people when it comes to junk food addictions.
It does not talk about other factors that lead to food addictions like trauma and stress (stress is poverty related a lot of the times).
It also doesn’t talk about lifestyle and how fat people have fat kids a lot of the time.
Genetics also play a role as well but is just another small factor.
It isn’t a character flaw if you are overweight.
People are right now in the world eating dirt to stave off hunger pangs whilst other people call food junk and say, well, see, poverty means having too many calories and, quite frankly, that kinda makes me want to die.
woah woah woah lets not do anything drastic. Actually it’s the person that lives with me that buys endless salami and I have free reign of the fridge. Conversations to change their purchasing habits have proven fruitless.
Although I did just buy some pepperoni. Having a nice hot picnic tomorrow and nitrates and preservatives really make that easier. Some nice focaccia, some pepp, some laughing cow, a little pesto, a little arugula… ohhhhh Marone. Also got some tortilla chips, guac, a chocolate bar, carrots.
It’s the kind of picnic that feels healthy but is obviously 1200 calories per person.
I was a somewhat tall and skinny kid from a thin family; no one was overweight and certainly not obese on either side of my extended family. That would change between my 10th and 11th birthdays when I rapidly gained about 30 pounds in 6 months, jumping from the 75th to 95th percentile in weight while remaining at the 90th percentile in height. I know this from my pediatric growth charts. It only got worse from there. By the time I turned 18, my weight had increased to a number that’s off the charts while my height leveled off to 50th percentile. To make that clear, I had gone from arguably underweight at 10 years old to nearly 100 pounds overweight just 8 years later. Not a great time in life to experience runaway weight gain.
So I ended up just making a post about comorbidities on facebook saying everyone should know if they’re at risk, knowing she reads most of my stuff. She hearted the post and no comment. I told her the majority of people in the community are strongly against and outraged at these parties. I said if she does go please be safe.
She said she will be safe. Best I can hope for I guess. I mean it is outdoors and if she stays away from unmasked crowds she should be ok, heres hoping.
Frozen fruit quality has definitely improved over the past 20 years. I think its partly because rich people started making smoothies at home and the demand for quality increased.
Food intake regulation in an environment with easy to get excess calories is no less a problem than starving.
lol, no
Did that not sound completely ridiculous as you were typing it?
Starvation is a word with a pretty specific meaning.
I think the doctor thing was/is a running joke from the H&F forum on 22.
Here is the first google definition of starvation:
starvation – suffering or dying from hunger.
Starvation is not the same as anorexia. If you would have said anorexia is no less a problem than obesity, I would not have responded. That viewpoint is understandable.
Maybe it’s just a problem with the language in this case.
Just imagine someone going into a remote, rural village of starving Africans and saying
“I know you guys are starving. I’m dealing with a problem that is equally bad. There is just too much tasty food around and I just can’t stop myself from eating. We’re just so unlucky with these similar problems that we have.”
OK. I did imagine.
And what was the response of the villagers in your imagination?
but mortality rate is also an interesting thing to study with eating disorders.
Starvation is not an eating disorder. It includes people who literally don’t have enough food to survive.
Anorexia is a mental disorder that has an element of starvation. I suppose you could consider anorexia a subset of starvation. But it’s not the same thing as much as you seem to want to equivocate the two.
6ix is right on the money here:
People are right now in the world eating dirt to stave off hunger pangs whilst other people call food junk and say, well, see, poverty means having too many calories and, quite frankly, that kinda makes me want to die.
Would you please answer my question:
What are metrics you use to determine which problem is worse?
You ignore my question. And return with giving me definitions that I know.
You can run a 1000 calorie deficit for only so long before you die. You can eat at 1000 calories over maintenance for a much longer time.
A starving child who doesn’t have enough to eat will die or can acquire severe developmental problems. A fat kid who eats too much, generally will at least live long enough to be a fat adult. And even that is a condition from which it is possible to recover.
OK, now your turn.
What did the villagers say in your imagination?
Similar thing that my mom would say: " You silly child, eat, eat eat some more. Be happy that you have food".
So they agreed that they had problems of equal severity?
With your metric (caloric deficit + the probability to recover) anorexia is at least as severe as involuntarily starvation.
Yes, but anorexia is not the same thing as starvation. You can’t just use “starvation” as a substitute for “anorexia”. They’re not the same thing. I already told you that comparing anorexia to obesity is not crazy.
When you said “starvation”, what other types of starvation were you referring to besides anorexia.
involuntarily starvation cure is well known: food.
By definition, food is not available, otherwise they wouldn’t be starving.
Imagine someone with a terrible disease, for which drug X exists and is an immediate 100% cure.
Now imagine you’ve got the disease. There is no drug X available to you. The argument you’re making is, “Well your disease really isn’t that bad. We know it would be cured by X. It’s doesn’t matter that we can’t give you X. The mere fact that X exists make your disease not that bad”.