No but I’d be curious what the differential is. The magnitude of the delta is important to how much of an obesity trend is explained by an office work trend.
I actually think the trend to office work may have been more damaging on the CI side of CICO. Before the Covid end times I worked out of an office in the Toronto financial district. The downtown core is a perfect storm of access to delicious high calorie food plus thousands and thousands of people looking for quick food to go.
What if the way we have been treating addictions has been wrong the whole time?
I think that is what a lot of us are trying to get at ITT.
Ah yes, traditional Irish Catholic guilt has an undefeated record against alcoholism.
So when it comes to weight loss you believe it’s a lack of “discipline”.
When it comes to poverty do you believe the same thing?
This is a really interesting comparison because not only are attitudes toward poverty and obesity analogous, they are actually both explanatory factors for each other.
One thing that is very instructive is to peel out the portion of people that are not poor but are overweight and ask “why”. I think this puts a laser focus on environmental factors because you no longer get caught up in issues of empowerment. A middle class or upper middle class professional has all the tools to lose weight - why dont they?
Grunching, and I’m about to knowingly misrepresent myself, but a better analogy would be to replace poverty with… not poverty. Well off, upper middle class, rich, etc?
Anybody can stop being well off. You just give away all your excess shit. But it’s not easy.
Sort of, but,
that not where I was going.
I’m focused on the fact that “junk food” and “health(y) food” are literally nonsense terms invented by USA#1 ad agencies to get people to buy shit during the post-WW2 cup-runneth-over prosperity.
It’s Toasted!™
It’s like that trope “Eskimos have 600 words for snow’” because they live in the Arctic. Americans call food “junk” because we’re obscene and haven’t even conceived of hunger in generations.
Sadly despite abundant resources we still let people starve in this country. One of the charities I work with gives backpacks of food to children on Fridays so they can eat on the weekend. School is their one guaranteed meal. Since covid it has gotten worse.
Those kids just need more discipline. CICO!
Eh. It’s not anything close to a full strawman. It’s accurate to your earliest posts ITT but you’ve updated somewhat under pressure. Calling you out on changing the placement of your feet to firmer ground is not a strawman.
Also, I refuse to participate in this discussion if I am not permitted the occasional vacuous snarky comment.
Ok fine. Back to substance. Where is your counterargument to the 36,000 points of data and scientific analysis showing that people are fatter today than they used to be, even accounting for CICO? That’s a monumentally interesting insight but your only reaction was “I don’t believe it”. Not very convincing.
ChrisV
yes it is with few exceptions.
Lawnmower_Man
to start with. but I think after a few weeks, you would just count what the scale says.
its like, I am putting in 3k calories a day and my weight is the same. maybe need to put in less calories or up the exercise.
I guess we’re doing this. Here are your first 3 posts from this thread all downplaying the complexity of losing weight. Honestly you’re a terrible poster who aged off my ignore list. Back you go. No I do not have any idea how to multiquote lol.
But it suggests more as well. Like switching to less meat might help without actually slicing calories much. That’s interesting, no? Also, since we’re on a politics forum, I am assuming a baseline level of interest in public policy. Like maybe the government should have some role here in curtailing how immensely difficult it is for people to lose weight?
You’re just wrong here. Sorry, I understand the desire to assume complex problems are simple but the evidence is that this is in fact complex. Social determinants of health are complex and real.
So I’m not reading his posts anymore, but I want to be super clear that I’m not judging normal size people who look at fat people and think that they must just be lazy or lack willpower. It’s the same exact thought process that leads middle class+ people to look at the poor and assume it must be for the same reasons.
I actually think obesity and poverty have a lot in common actually in that it’s kind of like cancer and there are a great many different reasons contributing to it.
What it absolutely isn’t is simple. It just seems simple for people who the various reasons didn’t arbitrarily decide to smite. That’s not their fault before they’ve been exposed to reality, but it’s a sign that there’s something wrong with them as a person if they opt not to after exposure. It’s like racism, poverty, etc that way.
I catch myself doing this exact thing to low IQ people all the time. It’s very hard for me to imagine what the world must look like to them.
Amazingly, I think we probably agree more than disagree. Counting calories is a tool in the toolbox. But it definitely isn’t a magic bullet. Behavioural science is real, and we know from experience that telling people to simply track significant amounts of data in a spreadsheet for a long period of time is not an effective technique. It will work for some people, but many people, in fact most people, need different tools. Telling those people to use the tool that doesn’t work for them doesnt achieve anything productive. It does achieve some self satisfaction for some people doing the telling, but that rings pretty hollow to me.
Ok I mean if you reject the study out of hand because it conflicts with your preexisting beliefs theres no point in discussing it.