some inverse marco polo shit happened here. england 1471? never seen this before
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I didn’t buy or steal any maps, some rogue english explorer just went out and shared the knowledge freely. Didn’t come across the ming empire tho lol
Anybody get the Emperor DLC? I still haven’t downloaded it yet, been finishing up my Mughals run and didn’t want to mess that up but I finally finished and was wondering how it is. Worth the 20 bones?
Probably eventually, some of the new features are cool, but they messed up the AI and now everyone goes into massive debt for no reason. I’d wait for a sale/patch.
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Notes say they just released their third patch or hotfix unless I’m reading this wrong. 1.30.3?
Ck3 comes out today. Anybody else about to play it approximately 60% of their waking hours between now and election day?
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Ugh that too? I’ve just bought this xpac, have had my eye on Hearts of Iron IV for some time now (just waiting for a sale to pull the trigger) and now this? I’ve got some decisions to make
This decision is not hard. CK3>>all other options. I watched the streamers yesterday and… yeah all the others are obsolete now. Literally the only reason to play them instead of CK3 is if you care a lot about the time period covered. It’s looking really good, is getting really good reviews, and yeah we should probably get a thread going when it releases.
HOI4 is fine, but its moment was years ago. If you haven’t gotten into it yet there’s no reason to go back for it. It’s fine, but it’s not as good as EU4 or CK2 IMO. EU4 was easily the best paradox game before CK3 released. CK2 was the previous title holder and it was a very close second to EU4 imo.
EU4 might be the best game I’ve ever played. I’m reasonably certain that won’t still be true when I go to bed tonight.
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Well I’m not getting HOI4 until I can also get all the DLC, and I’m not paying > a hundred bones for all of it at once like I did with EU4 because I know damn well it’s gonna go on sale two weeks after they swipe my credit card.
I feel like I totally missed the summer sale this year.
Honestly unless you’re a huge WW2 buff I’ve played HOI4… and it’s a logistics simulator more than anything. Like it’s 5x as micro heavy as EU4… and most of those micro decisions aren’t that interesting.
Honestly that’s one huge pet peeve of mine about the harder to get into grand strategy games. When you dig down into that complexity there better be a really interesting and consequential decision lurking down there. If there isn’t one (or worse knowing how to manipulate it properly is game breaking, which is often the case) I just honestly think it makes the game worse.
Well I am a major WW2 guy for sure and that’s the source of my interest. But I see what you’re saying. I’ve even thought about it, like the war wasn’t that long, how long of a timeline can it be especially compared to EU4 which spans nearly four centuries? Seems like the only way to squeeze EU4 levels of gameplay out of it is like you said: Force you to micromanage every little aspect of everything your nation does. I can see how that would get tedious if you’re not the type of person who really enjoys that type of gameplay.
OK so you know how the unit of time in EU4 is a month effectively? That’s a day in HOI4. It literally has a day/night cycle. That’s how they make the game take the same kind of time. Imagine the longest sloggiest war you ever fought in EU4. Now imagine that’s the whole game.
Then there’s CK3 which is looking like the best grand strategy game and quite possibly RPG ever made. Ever. Which only costs 50 bucks instead of whatever cracked out price you’ll pay for every HOI4 DLC even on sale. Yeah for me at least it isn’t close.
HOI4 caters hard to the detail oriented history nerds who do stuff like collect weapons and uniforms from the time period. It’s an extremely niche title that you probably would have bought at release if you were a good fit for. It’s paradox’s take on traditional mega micro detailed strategy games people used to play with miniatures. For those people that games orgasmic. For me it’s ‘I figure out stuff like this for a living and these choices aren’t hard… but I still feel stupid making them for free. This isn’t fun.’
What is fun is the Fallout HOI4 mod. I’ve played that about 10x more than I played HOI4, where I fully conquered Japan as China.
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Now that you mention it, I saw that the other night in fact, though at the time I wasn’t sure exactly what I was looking at. I thought it was moving like that because of the speed the guy had it set on. I watched part 1 of some dude doing a Paradox-sponsored playthrough the other night, and I did see some of the micromanaging as well but it wasn’t enough to scare me away. He was playing as France and started in like 1936, and I guess had it set to exactly follow historical events because, sure enough, on March 7 the Germans re-militarized the Rhineland and he had to decide what, if anything, to do about it. Stuff like that is what attracted me to the game. But that said, I know I’d get bored with microing everything. It’s the reason I’ve never done a WC in EU4. I simply do not have the patience.
Go ahead and make the CK3 thread I say, I’ll follow you there and read your TR and if it looks ok I’ll go ahead and get it.
HOI4 is only good for kaiserreich
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I’m excited for CK3 but I’m a very casual player. In CK2 I mostly liked picking small Eastern European duchies and creating a shitty little society/killing my equally shitty little neighbors before being steamrolled by the Roman Empire or whatever. Weirdly enough I find it less fun picking a more powerful country and actually doing real expansion/conquest.
Anyway if you start a CK3 thread I’d definitely pop in.
My first playthrough will probably be as the vikings because they are insanely fun to play. It’s a raiding based economy lol.
I played a ton of EU4, but never got into CK so hopefully i can get through the Paradox insane learning curve before this $1 game pass trial is up to see if I want to buy it.
I’m giving CK3 a shot. Including a functional tutorial was a bold design choice for Paradox.