Jal you just asked for informed discussion and then you post that and take a completely unwarranted shot at americans.
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Dude
US owners were at the forefront of the push for the European Super League, even if they risked alienating fans on both sides of the Atlantic
something both you and aoFrantic have been mocking/denying.
Yes and weâve established itt thoroughly thats not true. Some opinion piece making wild assertions doesnât change the facts presented.
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You two have established nothing. Citing an article in the Athletic without quoting it isnât science - there are other Athletic writers who support what Iâm saying and itâs by no means a controversial view. These people have connections to some of the clubs involved eg Lawrence, McNicholas and they know what theyâre talking about.
Itâs not a âshot at Americansâ - itâs a shot at 3 American owners.
i couldnât name one american soccer team
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Itâs also absolutely ridiculous because The Glazers, Kroenke and Henry are hands off owners. We know this. They have put people in charge of these clubs. Very few, if any big decisions fall on their shoulders. Vinai, Woodward and Gordon run the day to day of these clubs. They were in the meetings and taking the phone calls.
The English media reporting on this that Jal has swallowed up has been terrible.
To say these owners were at the forefront when they didnât even travel to Europe to attend the meetings is hilarious.
This is arrant nonsense - all the big business decisions at Arse are made by Kroenke Sr and/or Jr.
What? Basically every decision in the last 10 years has been made by Wenger, Gazidis, Raul of Vinai. Kroenke couldnât name you our starting Xi.
Kroenke is a hands off owner. He owns the Rams, Rapids, Avalanche, Nuggets and Arsenal. Heâs spent the least amount of time watching Arsenal matches or being in London. To think he makes most of the decisions goes against every bit of reporting for almost 15 years. Do you think he also makes the big decisions for the other 5 teams he owns? Do you want to buy a bridge in Brooklyn?
What have big business decisions got to do with naming an XI? I donât mean to appear rude but Iâm really puzzled by your lack of understanding of how clubs work and what the interests are of businessmen who buy them.
The Kroenkeâs are absolutely apathetic about the day to day running of the club, as they probably should be, and notoriously disinterested in the football side of things, but to think that someone who has a controlling interest as the private owner of a club worth billions wonât steer strategy is bizarre.
They donât steer strategy at any of their clubs. This is like, a well known fact of the last two decades.
Tim Lewis was hired this last year precisely because they had been so hands off they had no idea what Raul was doing in his corrupt dealings and that got him fired! Like, why do you think there was an internal investigation into the Pepe transfer and the head of football got fired in a 24 hour span? Because the owners were on top of that ÂŁ80 million decision? They received one phone call about it and said yes. That was it.
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Player purchases arenât strategic business decisions. That side is down to Edu and Arteta (maybe Vinai has some input, idk). They almost certainly have to get an OK from America, but thatâs about it.
Yet, it got the head of football fired and them to hire a lawyer they had close contact amd trust with to the board.
You and the English media can blame the American owners all you want. They definitely deserve some. But it was the Woodward and Vinais taking the calls and attending the meetings. That is well documented by now.
If you recall, after quite a few very suspect deals where we paid through the nose thanks to Sanllehi and Joorabchian they brought in the lawyer to root out the corruption (still didnât stop Willianâs joke of a contract going through).
It was an internal investigation into just one transfer. Edu is still friends with Kia.
The Athletic is just $1 a month, it really is worth it!
Youâd probably get a lot out of listening to a podcast or two eg Arseblog (with McNicholas, the Athletic writer).
I have less interest in reading what a journalist unconnected with the club is speculating about.
Iâve listened to every episode for 5 years, thanks for being condescending while being wrong about everything in this conversation for days now.
The podcast you literally just told me to listen to is done byâŚthe Arsenal writer for the athletic.
Oooh, a whole 5 years? I guess that makes you an expert on the subject by the standards of people you normally talk to.
lol liar
I subscribe to them and the double pivot on patreon dude. Youâre so, so bad at this. Less action then a game of baseball.
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If thatâs true youâre a very bad listener. The most recent podcast even went into this.
Itâs a hot take Aofrantic that the Kroenkeâs were mere bystanders to Artetaâs audacious closed shop league move