dunno if you can see this, but i agree. but good luck telling that to sam altman.
another way to regulate surveillance centers is to allow local people to vote on them. if they’re so beneficial, everyone should want them. i see commercials every day proudly stating the economic benefits, jobs, etc. stop bribing state and local officials and let the people vote. seems the fairest way.
if clovisville wants to have them and votes to have them built there, i would stfu about it. they won’t though, bc they don’t bring economic prosperity or jobs. they’re loud, suck up all the freshwater and give NOTHING back. nothing.
That’s reasonable but reason by itself doesn’t get you very far in the world as it is. The oligarchs have too much leverage. The way to start to create change is to marshal anger (or enthusiasm, but that’s harder). The anger over data centers is intense. And justified. Work with it.
We differ there. I think it’s going to radically alter a lot but I think the dire predictions are not likely to occur. Of course we have no idea who is right.
I think a big reason for opposition is there are regulations already in place that the rich assholes building these massive data centers are ignoring and facing no consequences for, so the idea that we can simply create additional regulations that they’ll follow seems unlikely.
It’s just the latest example of socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor, and the entire time these companies are fucking everyone over they’re also saying “by the way all this shit we’re building is going to take over your job, too”.
This feels similar to the billionaires thread or dems thread in that Clovis is almost certainly going to be holding a much different position in a few years and surprised at how naive he was back when the thread started. I could be wrong
We should talk about the negative externalities and the potential for future societal upheaval, but the status quo is that millions of people in America are benefitting from free AI tools while the unemployment rate is close to a record low.
What’s happening is inevitable and in some areas it’s practically impossible to find work that isn’t advancing AI somehow. I would, and will, avoid it where it’s not terribly self-destructive to do so, but especially for young people nowadays it’s either AI or panhandling.
The second one is factual (assuming you trust the official government statistics, which is its own can of problems), but you seem to be using it as a proxy for the health of the economy.
A lot of the anti data center arguments sound suspiciously like the anti windmill arguments. I think there’s no way to put the AI genie back in the bottle, so I think it’s better to be one of the haves rather than the have nots. I do think there should be a lot of regulation around it that we’re not going to get but it will probably be better to be in a country with the AI data centers than to live in a. country that doesn’t have them.
