Facebook is telling me that alberta is really bad right now, but I can’t find much primary source stuff
Because of our Healthcare system there should be plenty of good primary sources.
is that tweet misleading? the screen cap seemed like they meant just covid patients who go into cardiac arrest, not all patients that go into cardiac arrest.
both situations are shitty, but the latter seems less shitty?
Vaccine protestors are domestic terrorists. Period.
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It’s really bad here but thankfully it forced the hand of our conservative government to start a passport program Monday. About time.
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it’s a foundational piece of medical ethics for people to choose whether or not people get CPR when their heart stops. Idaho just made it a blanket policy to not do CPR anymore except in narrow circumstances. This happened in NYC, but it was more of a thing we did than an official announced policy, at least at most places. Definitely not a statewide thing.
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What are the penalties for providing CPR despite this? I really doubt that if some doc calculates that a patient has a better prognosis with CPR than the average patient in that spot and decides to do it despite the ban, then they’re going to take away his license or throw him in jail.
Nice framing here—vaccine “skeptics” are the real victims!
Maybe this belongs in the derailed thread, I don’t know. It must’ve been discussed before, but I missed it.
Would there be anything ethically wrong with vaccine mandates to get covid hospital treatment? I’m reading there are now some hospitals at 100% capacity that have to turn away other patients, cancer surgeries, etc. Why should they have to suffer because idiots refused to get vaccinated?
Yes, almost everyone who gets sick enough to require hospital treatment for covid would die. But I also think that might be just the thing that brings people to their senses about getting vaccinated. They’d at least have to think twice about not being vaxxed
I don’t have an ethical problem with it myself. I think it’s more unethical that people have to delay cancer surgeries and other necessary treatments that require hospitalization because unvaxxed idiots are taking up ICU beds, etc. Am I just a complete asshole?
https://twitter.com/originalspin/status/1439252048185335811
https://twitter.com/originalspin/status/1439252064996106240
Good thread on the collateral damage anti-vaxxers are wreaking.
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I think I’ve mentioned this as well but I don’t remember any discussion. I think if there’s a faction that’s never going to want to get vaccinated, then they can come up with their own health care system exclusively for themselves. Let them build their own hospitals and hire their own anti-vax doctors and staffers. The rest of us want to get back to normal.
I’m not a medical ethicist which is probably a good thing.
If I was czar it would certainly be on the triage list when resources are limited. And the insurance coverage would be null. Let them pay for it. Morons.
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Should be okay in places where a doctor is allowed to opt out of performing abortions for ethical reasons.
How about a regular mandate where the punishment for failure to comply is a fine or imprisonment, rather than some baroque cruelty like letting people die of illness or injury?
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I’m saying that if you can’t demand they perform procedures on the unvaxxed, then you can’t demand they participate in abortions. If hospitals are allowed to turn away the unvaxxed, they should be allowed to turn away people who want abortions.
That’s if you care about being logically consistent and not just getting your preferred outcome.
“Your preferred outcome” just seems like a euphemism for “fewer people dying.”
I just think of all ethical questions with a deontology vs consequentialism framework with a lawbro-ish mentality.
I’m not saying that it’s necessarily wrong to have results-oriented ethics.
This guy seems to have found a couple studies that repeated the mistake of the Israeli study and then declared victory. It’s not very compelling.