COVID-19: Chapter 6 - ThanksGRAVING

She says in a follow up tweet that his wife told the paramedics that he had a positive test before they flew. So, yeah not a definitive cause of death, but speculation based on the wife’s statement.

My wife takes a salary so that she pays social security and we are eligible for the pass through credit. Again we do whatever the accountant tells us. He is worth every penny.

Like lolhealthcare it’s lolloltaxes as far as being complicated. With both of us being independent we don’t get any paid vacation or holidays so some of the tax advantages are a nice trade-off.

While I could figure out the healthcare on my own, I get overwhelmed with taxes, especially as a business.

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Sound like nice people getting on a flight.

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I’m 10 paragraphs in and I don’t care to go further. His point is that he wants to live a long healthy productive life and then die suddenly. He’s pointing out those last years suck. He’s not murdering people who are turning 76

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Problem with this is that we were killing people with bad medical care too.

Well I never said he was murdering people. He’s still a psycho for thinking you can’t have a good life after 75 based on a couple weak anecdotes. I’m not happy that the president is listening to a dude who made his own arbitrary cutoff for when life should end

And it’s not some “die suddenly after along fulfilled life” fantasy. He thinks he has figured it all out and is going to refuse care. That’s nuts

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Doctors professional experience is not weak anecdotes

Very hard for me to believe that emotion and anecdote isn’t driving this when the main example is about his own father. Certainly this anecdote isn’t a robust example of physician experience. Heartbreaking for sure.

This paragraph is just psycho too. Now it’s an acceptable sort of psycho in the American sense, since work is life and life is work, but I would like the president to listen to a person who has a bit more humanity in him. The last 15 years of ones life can be a treasured time of relaxation and love and for experiences. I feel bad that dude lived his life around people who mock their declining grandparents, and that he’s so concerned with status that he will worry about it from beyond the grave.

Honestly every time I learn something new about the US health care system it somehow gets worse. Wow paying 1000s every month and still having a huge deductible what a terrible system. But wait what if I told you sometimes you save money in case you get sick but if you don’t then it just vanishes.

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We will count on people to trust their government officials. I predict big success.

I personally agree with him, and the reason “the last 15 years of one’s life” has to be 75 to 90 rather than 60 to 75 has to do with how many people are now living such long lives. Retirement ages are being driven up because of increased lifespan. Living a long life is essentially a form of privilege. Spinning up a long life on the roulette wheel of possibilities - something made much more probable by being wealthy - means living out your old age at the expense of people who will probably not get to enjoy the same benefits.

I think the fear and rejection of this idea is just a form of denial of death. Your life is not any more meaningful because you live to 90 rather than 75. 75 is plenty of years to experience the world. I understand this is a minority position though and would never seek to impose it on others politically.

Edit: I’m not surprised btw that CaffeineNeeded is sympathetic to the article, this is commonplace among doctors in my experience.

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You have no idea. My family plan is around 15K a year and deductibles of around 4K each with a max out of pocket of 10K. (although out of network is more).

The worst thing about the US system, as someone already noted above, is you have no idea how much something is until after the event and you get the bill, which will take hours to decipher and even then won’t really make sense.

I don’t think this is true, at least it hasn’t been the case in Canada. Our experience has been that the average retirement age is driven more by economics than demographics. In the 1970s people retired pretty late all things considered (like around 66 on average). In the 1980s and 1990s life expectancies climbed but retirement ages fell because people felt affluent - they had reliable private sector pensions and home equity and a belief in the power of stocks to deliver income. In the 2000s life expectancies continued to climb and retirement age trends reversed, with people hitting their 50s with big mortgages and no pensions and dot com bubble fears. Currently retirement age expectations have never been more bleak. It seems to me like people retire when they are forced out or when they feel confident about their assets, I don’t think broad longevity trends are much of a driver for households. Policy makers care more about long term trends in life expectancies.

Changes in birth rate since WW2 are the main reason.

Really makes a huge difference if you have grandchildren or not. Living an extra 15 years and seeing milestones in your grandchildren’s lives is a pretty big deal.

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My life expectancy is 95 according to this website, so I’ve got that going for me:

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Yeah. For all the very legitimate critiscm of englanders, the fact that we’ve managed to cling on to the NHS despite everything that US pharma/insurance has thrown at it in terms of propaganda, bribery etc is one small feather in our cap. I do have nightmares of a private health system being thrust on us but it’s just so clearly and blatantly terrible with zero upside for non millionaires that we can hopefully fade it.

  1. Fits with family history.

Life after 75 is highly variable. I know active 80+ year olds and elderly people in their 60s.

My Dad fell in love a second time at 88.

I’m in the no afterlife camp so this is it. I’d like to stick around as long as possible. That said I’d love to be able to pick my own time should I get to the point the extra time is not worth the pain- especially from losing my mind. But apparently that’s a sin according to our religious overlords.

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