College players getting PAID

Levi Brown, pfft. I had econ with Jan Jagla.

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All good until the left guard lets you get sacked 4 times in the conference championship. :joy:

In for ncaa football on ps5

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Letā€™s run with this one a little more. Letā€™s say booster pays a qb

$100K for under 100yds passing
$0 for over 100yds passing

Still Kosher?

Good day for your ignore function to run out ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

Thereā€™s no ncaa policy against it. There are local rules that I canā€™t say Iā€™m familiar with every one

To be clear, Iā€™m not against players getting paid for NIL since these are rights theyā€™ve always had that were being infringed upon. I am, however, extremely skeptical about the implementation and expect it to be an absolute disaster that mostly does not work in favor of college athletes at all.

Itā€™s probably still bad because labor is always fucked, but probably still bad is way, way better than the status quo.

Iā€™d be surprised if there wasnā€™t some rule. Otherwise weā€™d have the following

Step 1. Rich dude pays college players, but incentives are to do less (i.e. tank).
Step 2. Rich dude bets against team
Step 3. Profit.

Or there is the more benign version:

Step 1. Rich OSU booster pays a bunch of Michigan players to suck
Step 2. OSU beats the shit out of UM
Step 3. OSU booster basks in victory and feels like itā€™s money well spent.

Ok so we simply disagree on how much better it is.

Iā€™m pretty sure that this along with a lot of the scenarios posted in this thread are just straight up illegal.

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So are you saying that even the positive incentives (e.g. $100K for over 300yds passing) are illegal? They are payments to influence a sporting contest.

I dunno about that one and we should ask the law bros, but I read this earlier from a sports law attorney:

The Florida statute features important restrictions. An athlete canā€™t enter into a contract that conflicts with a contract signed by his or her team. Compensation must also be ā€œcommensurate with the market valueā€ of an athleteā€™s NIL, a qualification designed to limit opportunities for boosters to cloak ā€œplay-for-payā€ compensation as NIL payments. To that end, NIL compensation canā€™t be paid in exchange for athletic performance or attendance at a college. Such payment can only be made by a third party unaffiliated with the college.

This seems dumb because then itā€™s just angle shooting over who is considered affiliated with the college. However, I donā€™t really see a reason for your contract example to exist. Why pay for performance incentives when the dude is already at the college? You donā€™t really get anything in return and could instead actually make money by paying for autographs and marking them up or something.

In terms of paying someone to suck, there are laws against tortious interference (either with contract or economic relationship). Basically, it prevents a third party from interfering in the contractual/business relationship between two other parties. So, for instance, Coke couldnā€™t pay Pepsi employees to work slowly, not show up for work, etc. There are of course limits, as you can hire away employees from rivals, but you canā€™t just straight up interfere with their relationship.

Paying players to play well, probably doesnā€™t run afoul of these laws - the schools would need to show they were being harmed by these payments. Maybe if they could show that paying the QB for 300 yard games caused him call more passes, throw riskier deep balls, youā€™d have a shot, but I think that would be hard to prove.

Iā€™m sure this would be a crime.

Dude you are reacting as if getting endorsement is a new thing in the universe. If a player throws the game on purpose itā€™s a crime and everyone involves go to jail.

I assumed established sports leagues have rules regarding endorsements. In the case of the NCAA, it just kind of came out of the blue so they havenā€™t had time to codify much.

No. The negative ones are illegal. Plenty gambling cases involving sports prove this out.

There is nothing illegal about paying for a positive performance.

They are not the same. I know you are not reaching on this to oppose players getting paid.

I happened across a post from this old ex local honk sports talk radio guy and heā€™s sure itā€™s the end. No real reason given, just the fact that they bout to get PAID is enough to assure him all is lost.

The Trumpkin replies are even sadder. Some are saying itā€™s not gonna work because thereā€™s no incentive for the lineman to not get paid to block for the QB who is getting paid, that kind of ā€œlogic.ā€ And then the inevitable solution to that is to pool all the money and split it up ā€œfairlyā€ amongst the players. AKA socialism :man_shrugging:

Frankly if the alternative to whatever happens is the old system where it was literally not legal to pay these athletes for their labor then it needs to be blow up.

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Sounds like they need a strong union. :+1:

Just donā€™t let DeMaurice Smith anywhere near it!

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I feel like one of the benefits to getting paid for NIL is that people wonā€™t be able to stack talent as easily. Winning is great, but if Iā€™m some 18 from nowhere with no money I donā€™t think Iā€™d be as likely to go to Alabama and sit for 2-3 years. when I could go lots of other places and get my name out sooner.

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