Cancel Culture and the Harper's Letter

I thought Ansari did that?

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He went from having his own show and guest starring in all comedies, to just putting out his own netflix specials. Something else to check would be what venues he performs in, but I’m too lazy to do that. I think he’s been canceled as much as anyone gets “canceled”

I never saw him sincerely address what happened and apologize, just him go through a bunch of half-measures.

I’ve been drunk for the last three days, so I don’t know precisely what’s gone on. Did I miss anything?

Same old same old. You’re better off staying drunk.

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https://twitter.com/jeremymbarr/status/1283058025654366209

tl;dr Bari, Jesus.

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Yo Bari, I hear Tucker needs a new writer

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https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1283102405584920581

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Good call. I forget where I heard/read it (maybe itt earlier), but someone pointed out that, collectively, the folks who signed The Letter probably had the financial and other resources necessary to hire everyone who had been “cancelled” using their apparent definition of the term.

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Except, there’s nothing in the text of the Harper’s letter that actually suggests that the signatories are writing out of concern for themselves. For a few, that’s a reasonable interpretation, like Bari Weiss. For others, like Noam Chomsky or Salman Rushdie, it’s absolutely ludicrous and it’s clear that their position is the exact opposite. They’re not worried about themselves being censored, they’re worried about those far less powerful or influential. And they’re worried about that because they have direct and personal experience with the sort of non-governmental censorship that they experienced. And again, the plain text of the letter is arguing not that the signatories are concerned about censorship of powerful and influential people like themselves, but rather with suppression of more marginal voices and opinions. It’s narcissistic projection to assume the opposite.

I don’t think this was posted yet but it’s a Guardian opinion on Bari Weiss and cancel culture. Sums up my feelings on the issue pretty well. I got to post 400 or so and lost interest in the arguments but I agree with Yuv’s takes.

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So the people who drafted the the Harpers letter on open debate decided to privately debate on which signatories should allow to show up on there. Amazing. Wonder what other signers they cancelled from the letter

https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1284328426204274694?s=21

Also this is Bari’s friend who was involved in the France incident where someone was kicked out of the house for clowning Bari lol

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https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1284467879774244865?s=21

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Neff serves as Carlson’s writer. “Anything he’s reading off the teleprompter, the first draft was written by me,” says Neff. Initially he talked to Carlson every day about what to cover, but during the past three and a half years, “I’ve gotten used to what he likes and what he thinks about.” It helps that he and Carlson see eye to eye on most issues.

I don’t doubt him and Tucker think similarly.

Jonathan Cook wrote a strong attack on The Letter over at Mondoweiss.

‘Cancel culture’ letter is about stifling free speech, not protecting it; Criticisms of “cancel culture” are really about prioritizing speech that shores up the status quo.

I agree that leftwing cancel culture is not on the same plain as what the right has always done.

But just because we’re not the ones with AIDS, that doesn’t mean we should not take care of our crabs.

The shortcoming of Cook’s and many other commentaries is that they are not owning the toxic culture that we do maintain.

On my Twitter feed, somebody had asked Chomsky about the scale of the affirmative response to The Letter. The Noamster replied that that was just half of it. The other half was private communications to him of people describing their encounters with cancel culture.

It seems to me we are witnessing some collateral damage from the success of the left. Lots of new people are adopting the ideas, but not always applying them as sensibly as long-time reds.

We’ve seen some of this on this board, where there’ve been calls to ban people simply for being wrong.

JFC CNN - the dude called Jews savages and animals. But he said sorry so…

The bastards cancelled Chachi!

We should care how Trump and his supporters use it because it has an origin story:

The German far right has discredited critical media for a long time with the term “Lügenpresse” [literally “lies press” (~lying press)] which has its origins in 19th century anti-semitism. That word was adopted by early Trump supporters and the American far right. It doesn’t roll of an American tongue and the synonymous “fake news” later took its place.

If you use “fake news” today you can’t expect it to be understood literally but how the far right redefined it and should therefore be avoided.

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Do I understand this right that if an op ed writer wears a JWNRU shirt he will justifiably get fired but if he writes a JWNRU column then he should not be fired for it?