no. if he just came in with a t-shirt that said ‘jews will not replace us’ and very calmly express his view if asked.
If someone comes in with a Jews Will Not Replace us T shirt I’m sending him home and calling HR.
why is that wrong and a BLM t-shirt is fine, if both are just expressing political views (in a peaceful manner, as well)?
For the same reason tying your shoelace is fine but leaving a noose laying around is more problematic.
not sure i understand the analogy.
you say it’s perfectly fine to wear that t-shirt outside of work, but you’ll fire him if wears it to work? Can he change it on his way out?
If I, as a jewish employee of you, explain that I feel uncomfortable working and colobarating with a colleague who has openly marched yelling “jews will not replace me” and is an open member of a neo-nazi group, what would your answer be? Suck it up unless he wears that t-shirt to work?
What is the fucking point of this line of questioning? Everyone ITT already agrees that there are some statements and behaviours that deserve to be sanctioned and some that don’t.
It’s frustrating to argue about this stuff because we are necessarily talking about sliding scales so it’s always possible to just conflate everything with one end of the spectrum or the other. Bring up the ContraPoints incident and reliably within 10 posts someone is asking for the five hundredth time whether it’s OK to fire Nazis or not.
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My point is that I don’t know what the people I work with do outside of work and I don’t want to know. I don’t think we should comb through co-workers social media to see if they have problematic views or associations. They should be judged on their workplace performance and conduct. That’s it.
Obviously if a Charlottesville marcher gets ID and publicized he’s going to get fired. It’ll happen if I call for it or not, but I’m not going to cheerlead it.
the person i’m questioning doesn’t agree, so his view is at least somewhat interesting.
otoh within 5 minutes of discussing “cancel culture” someone brings up Ayatollah and that suppose to be a winning argument as to why pointing out people online is bad.
Of course I agree, I just said if some guy shows up to work in an anti-semetic t-shirt he’s done.
I suck at multiquoting so:
I think I cheered them getting fired as it happened… but I think I’m now against
So in practice I would never support someone losing his job for expressing a view.
Either way i find it amusing that the guy chimes in with ‘who cares that Trump and 99% of the people who repeatedly talk about cancel culture are doing it solely to allow racist and rapist to roam around consequence free, this is SERIOUS BUSINESS and here’s one case that is kinda not great maybe and therefore is the winning example + cancel culture is Salman Rushdie all over again. QED.’
oh, and a legendary whataboutism on M4A.
but whatever, online mobs, cancel culture, protect statues, slippery slopes.
That was in the context of an op ed writer whose job is to have views. So no, a professional view haver shouldn’t get fired for having a controversial view. Which doesn’t inoculate Brett Stephens from the professional consequences of wearing a Jews Will Not Replace Us shirt to work.
And if an accountant wears a JWNRU shirt to work, yeah, that’s not “expressing a view”. It’s clearly unacceptable workplace conduct.
that’s fine, i asked to understand your view point. it was hard but i got it at the end. it’s a don’t ask don’t tell one. if i find out my coworker is a nazi i shouldn’t do anythng, but if he tells me he’s a nazi i need to complain. not my favorite stand, but i get it.
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The middle paragraph is it for me. I think about this a lot, and you expressed it so well.
That may be the case but there are plenty of legit bad faith arguments on the Trump side so its kind of silly to pretend that’s not really a feature of the current political situation. See, for example, masks make you look like a pussy until Trump wears one and then it looks super masculine. They do this shit all the time and that’s why its pointless to engage is serious debate with them.
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That’s why anonymity has to go if free speech is going to stay. It’s either/or. You can say you value privacy or you can say you value free speech, but you can’t argue for both simultaneously in the place we are in. Not and have any ground to stand on.
Personally I think privacy isn’t worth the problems it causes… I mean it just breaks free speech for starters.
Can’t believe this thread is already this big over such a long- settled issue
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You keep framing it based on this person wearing the shirt in a workplace but if you see them outside the workplace wearing it or they post it on a private social media account how do you feel about them being fired for that in the workplace? Do you think they should only be fired if they show these views in the workplace only?
Seems like Bennet kinda sucked at his job lol
Also lol at Toilet Paper USA having a professor watchlist
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Has Ansari really been “cancelled”?
I think Franken might be in cancelled by now. His podcast is good FYI