Biden thread III: Still Robinette after all these years

Also, one of the dancers in the Magic Mike film series

I had no idea who this guy is—he was on that PBS “Finding Your Roots” show and his family history is interesting:

Manganiello’s maternal great-grandmother, Terviz “Rose” Darakjian,[5] was a survivor of the Armenian genocide. During the genocide, Darakjian’s husband and seven of her children were murdered by Turks. Darakjian’s eighth child, an infant, drowned during Darakjian’s escape across the Euphrates River.[6] Darakjian later encountered Karl Wilhelm Beutinger, a German soldier, in an internment camp for survivors. Rose became pregnant by him. Beutinger soon left to return to Germany. He resumed his life there with his German wife and children, and never saw Rose Darakjian again. Manganiello’s grandmother is the child of Beutinger and Rose Darakjian.[5][6][7]

Manganiello’s father was born outside of Boston.[6] In early 2023, Henry Louis Gates and the researchers of PBS’ Finding Your Roots (airdate Feb. 7, 2023) uncovered that Manganiello’s legal grandfather, Emilio Manganiello,[8] was not his biological grandfather. Furthermore, research showed that his biological great-grandparents were an African-American man named William Henry Cutler and a white woman named Nellie Alton, and that his biological paternal grandfather was one of Cutler and Alton’s three mixed-race African-American sons.[5][6] Using this information, researchers traced Manganiello’s paternal lineage back to his fifth great-grandfather, Plato Turner, an African slave who was freed before slavery was abolished in Massachusetts and who went on to fight for the Continental Army during the American Revolution.[6][8]

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is this where we all pretend we never watched True Blood, because we were too good for that show?

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I didn’t watch it and would definitely admit if I did, no shame in watching trashy tv.

Good ad.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/21/bidenomics-spurred-stronger-gdp-growth-morgan-stanley.html

Election against Trump gonna be a cake walk.

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if the election was held this November i would agree that Biden has pretty good chances, the vast majority of worst case scenarios wrt covid, jobs, inflation etc have been avoided under his admin so far and people generally prefer to stick with the incumbent as long as things are not a complete shitshow.

but if you look at the past few elections trying to forecast the winner 18 months out would not have been very accurate - for example trump would have crushed biden if the 2020 election had been held one year earlier, Obama would have gotten crushed if the 2008 election was held one year earlier etc. We still have so many bad outcomes that we have to fade over the next 1.5 years wrt Biden’s age/health, Putin/Russia, and economic/domestic issues (student loan payments being restarted one year before the election is monumentally dumb) that i think it moves 2024 much closer to a coin flip, but a coin flip is still a lot better shape than i thought we would have been in when biden took office 2.5 years ago.

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As mentioned above, that’s a recklessly bold statement given the election is 1.3 years away.

But to add to that, even if the election were 1.3 days away, I have a massive problem with the conclusion that “GDP is strong” = “Biden wins reelection easily”. Who cares if the GDP is strong if the mood of most of the people is that the economy is shit?

From that very article:

The latest CNBC All-America Economic Survey, released Thursday, found that just 37% of respondents approved of Biden’s handling of the economy, while 58% disapproved. Only 20% of Americans agreed that the economy was excellent or good, while a whopping 79% said it was just fair or poor, CNBC’s poll found.

Those are horrendous numbers for someone trying to get re-elected. The only thing saving Biden at this point is the fact that Republicans have gone batshit insane on abortion.

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It’s not just abortion - it’s everything. Haven’t looked at polls that much, but seems Dems are getting engaged about the school board and anti-woke stuff as well. Both could probably have been winning positions for Rs, but of course they had to take things too far.

I think the winning strategy is to embrace the politics of polarization and provoke Republicans into going too far as much as possible.

This could be true, but I think the abortion issue is by far the most impactful.

Either way though, my main argument is still that if Biden wins, it’s going to be in spite of the economy, not because of it. (With the caveat that we are still over a year away and things can still change)

Especially as we start to see more and more stories like the girl in FL that hid her pregnancy and killed the baby by putting it in a dumpster, or the women who are having their lives threatened with ectopic or non-viable pregnancies. Each time those things hit the news cycle, sane people get another dose of “Look at what these psychos want for your life.”

Part of the issue (and those poll numbers bear it out) is that no matter what’s going on with employment, GDP, stocks, etc., Average Joe’s “feelings” about the economy are that it’s bad because 1) Everything is like 15% more expensive thanks to the damage already done by inflation, and he hasn’t gotten used to it yet, and 2) Gas is still <$3.50/gal in most places and that sucks and it feels like it’s economy related even though it’s mostly not.

Most people don’t know nearly enough about anything that Biden’s done to have a real opinion on whether he’s handling it well, they just know things still kinda suck for them personally, and they need to blame somebody.

Purchasing power is not part of The Economy ™ and dumbasses need to just get used to it always decreasing for them

I guess I don’t know what economy means

If things suck for most people personally, then it sounds like they’re correct to not give a fuck about the line going up

If things sucking for most people “is not the economy” then why spend time learning about whatever you insist the economy “is”

It sounds like you’re dangerously close to just saying “the economy is only what affects this very narrow class of people I’m either in, or aspire to be in”

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Yeah I don’t disagree with you on any of this really. I think what it comes down to is a poll question of “Do you trust [current president]'s handling of the economy” is a stupid question to ask that won’t yield any useful info. I’m not sure what the right one is.