THE EV IS IN LIVES SAVED, STOP BEING A JACKASS. I’m calculating how many lives we can save with each plan, relatively speaking, and going with the one that saves the most.
FOR FUCKS SAKE STOP CHARACTERIZING MY POSITION.
Not to derail this incredibly insightful conversation, but some actual news/info that pertains to what’s going on at the ground level. My friend who works in the legal field but is not a lawyer spoke to a lawyer in Atlantic County, NJ today.
The population is about 263K. They said there are currently 4,000 evictions on the docket and another 1,000 in the process of being filed. The average household there is 2.59, and I’m guessing it gets higher at lower income levels. But at 2.59 it’s 12,950 people currently being evicted out of 263,670.
4.9% of the county is being evicted ALREADY.
What’s it going to be after 9/1 with no CARES extension? 10%? 15%?
What’s it going to be if we go twice as long without a CARES extension or never get one? 30%?
Insane.
I don’t think you’re a bad guy, I just think you’re bad at the marshmallow test.
Maybe we don’t know what’s going to happen, although we can make an educated guess. I would prefer to err on the side of caution–assume that COVID is still a thing and Republicans are as obstructionist as usual–and plan accordingly.
My assumption is I wouldn’t be surprised if COVID is going to be 5x+ worse by November at the rate we’re going and that the GOP Senate will have no choice but to act because of massive uprising against them after they get destroyed in the election if COVID is as bad as I think it could be.
History has shown us that assuming that Republicans will do the right thing, for whatever reason, tends to be a bad assumption. A massive uprising isn’t going to change their minds unless one of them is literally killed by the uprising and they start to fear for their lives. Are you advocating assassination?
Besides, they’ll be too busy confirming as many lame duck judicial appointments as possible if they’re about to lose their majority.
Why should we be optimistic about how Republicans will act? When faced with losses, they tend to blame conspiracies and double-down on their previous position instead of coming off their line. We’ve seen Republicans in states like Wisconsin and North Carolina pass legislation to handcuff incoming Democrats after losing gubernatorial elections.
Based on past behavior, the best assumption is that Republicans will act like sore losers because that’s what they’ve always done in the past. To the rest of us ITT, it seems like lunacy and a willful desire to ignore recent history if you think a big loss is going to shock Republicans into rationality.
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lmao imagine thinking the GOP will do the right thing. They would LOVE for the democrats to inherit as big of a mess as possible so they can blame them for it. If legit half the cities are burning when the dems take office thats even better.
Pass bill till November. Country elects dems. No more stimulus, blame democrats, country falls apart, hammer dems for the next four years about the mess they created. 50% of the country believes them.
Also this rioting would mostly be in dem cities, I can’t see a bunch of olds and po-dunk Trump towns rioting, they love police too much. Most of them probably have family they can turn to anyways.
You’ve learned nothing if you’re putting your trust into the GOP to do the right thing after the election.
I think you’re missing the part of my post that said if they get stomped and obstruct there will likely be violence.
And you missed the part of my post where the GOP would absolutely love that. They would actively root for that. Look what happens when you elect democrats, and their base would buy it and 15% would both sides it.
Yes, you’re correct, Mitch and all the GOP senators would love for a bunch of desperate people to come to Washington with the goal of killing them. I think you are straight up in denial somehow about how bad things are going to get if nothing is done and that doing nothing leads to a curb stomping in the election and then obstruction happens on top of that. You have a much rosier outlook on society if you think this isn’t going to go straight to their doors. Right now, people want justice. Watch out when they want revenge.
I think you’re in denial about how much Republicans won’t care if things get as bad as you predict. They might try to flee before they’d cave on a bill.
Based on what you’re saying, we aren’t getting any kind of deal ever and we’ll be able to live out what you’ve been drooling over for months or years in real time soon. I hope you’ll enjoy it.
I’m not predicting what I want to happen. I’m trying to be realistic. And the reality is that things might get pretty bad.
Are you being so resistant because you simply can’t countenance a world along the lines of what we describe, so you engage in Panglossian optimism as a defense mechanism?
Yeah because trump and company wont have their ss and the national guard crush them. Yes they would love that. LAW AND ORDER this is what happens when you elect Democrats, they wont protect you like we do.
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Republicans definitely do not care about what happens to the poors. They see the poors as annoying and subhuman. Republicans only care about the next election and accumulating more power to keep the rich rich and the poor poor. This idea that they somehow really do care about people and will do the right thing after the election is over is just not rooted in reality. (See: the last time we were in this exact situation during the Great Recession. And the GOP is arguably more unhinged and evil now than they were then.)
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If trump loses hes going full revenge mode assuming he doesnt try to go full fascist and regardless both of those wont include a GOP stimulus. And they dont have enough to override a veto
But what if the GOP decides to do the right thing!
The hope has to be to win Pres/Senate/House. Then nuke the fillibuster and get stuff done. I realize that is a long shot with Joe’s corpse, and Chuck and Nancy running the show but it’s the best shot we have.
My personal opinion is that a compromise bill will not be 600+eviction moratorium only. The Republicans will make them put corporate liability shield or some other nonsense in. Not to mention an eviction moratorium only applies to Federal housing. Obviously that helps some but will not help everyone.
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I wouldn’t say no way. They obviously should but I am not expecting it. If the election is a beatdown you may be able to flip a few 2022 GOP senators who are at risk to vote for a Dem stimulus plan also.
Have you been paying even the slightest bit of attention the last few years?
Hint: we dont need “everyone” to go “oh well” while the country burns down. We need 13 GOP senators to do that. That’s it. That’s the difference between something and nothing, and right now, as has been for the last 3.5 years, we are stuck on nothing.
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He has, but he hasn’t processed any of it because it would be incredibly painful. I’m honestly kind of envious. Imagine still thinking as well of the GOP as he does. Imagine believing in our institutions to the degree he does. I only have him on ignore because he’s like a time traveler from 2009 and it makes me sad to think how low we’ve gotten.
Doesn’t make him right in any way of course. He’s wrong about absolutely everything because he’s decided not to process facts… and if there’s one thing that’s become increasingly clear to me it’s that he’s absolutely impervious to reality that doesn’t suit his world view.
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